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west is targeting islam....can i write one of the reason for this animosity as ....
"some sort of Islamic revival or awakening in Muslims from their long time slumber that made the west apprehensive....fearful,and thus they started planing to crush Muslims that might challenge them(west) sometime in future...
(as zakir naik also said that Islam is world's fastest growing religion)...i want to ask...
Is this reasoning justified ...plz help
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west is targeting islam....can i write one of the reason for this animosity as ....
"some sort of Islamic revival or awakening in Muslims from their long time slumber that made the west apprehensive....fearful,and thus they started planing to crush Muslims that might challenge them(west) sometime in future...
(as zakir naik also said that Islam is world's fastest growing religion)...i want to ask...
Is this reasoning justified ...plz help
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In my view,............. West is not targeting Islam because of its revival or awakening. Now the war is only for capturing of resources. Most of the energy sources of world r in or around the Muslim countries. America attacked Afghanistan for various reasons, the most important of them is to capture resources of CARS.

Middle East countries r rich with the wealth of oil, So America and other western counteries created isssue of Palestine to justify their interference. Iraq was attacked only it can challenge the hegemony of Isreal and rich with oil wealth. It was not attacked just for being Islamic country.

America and West r not going to attack African Muslim countries.

America is interfering Pakistan as it is located at the hub of energy corridor.In mdern time, the war is only economic war not the capturing of boundries.
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In my view,............. West is not targeting Islam because of its revival or awakening. Now the war is only for capturing of resources. Most of the energy sources of world r in or around the Muslim countries. America attacked Afghanistan for various reasons, the most important of them is to capture resources of CARS.
If America had any plan of conquering Afghanistan, it would have easily done it after the retreat of Russia from Afghanistan (you know that the winner of that war was no doubt CIA of America). Instead Americans are blamed that they left Afghanistan helpless on her own after the Afghan war was over in late eighties. Even today, America has no plans of staying long in Afghanistan. In fact President Obama have announced a deadline for the withdrawal of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan. America has no hegemonic plans of capturing energy resources of CARS. The only reason America attacked Afghanistan was to root out terrorist activities of Al Qaeda who had found safe heaven in Afghanistan.
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If America had any plan of conquering Afghanistan, it would have easily done it after the retreat of Russia from Afghanistan (you know that the winner of that war was no doubt CIA of America). Instead Americans are blamed that they left Afghanistan helpless on her own after the Afghan war was over in late eighties. Even today, America has no plans of staying long in Afghanistan. In fact President Obama have announced a deadline for the withdrawal of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan. America has no hegemonic plans of capturing energy resources of CARS. The only reason America attacked Afghanistan was to root out terrorist activities of Al Qaeda who had found safe heaven in Afghanistan.
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Dear at that time Russia was like a super power which can challenge American motives anywhere in the world. CIA think tanks were planning to contain Russia as a prime motive alongwith other minor motives at that time. America used Muslim world to shatter Russian power without caring about its consequences.

In this way u will say that America attacked Iraq to capture weapons of mass destruction, liberate Iraqi people from cruelities of Sadam Hussain.

In late eighties, America was winner in proxy war as it became successful in defeating Russia through Muslim countries. It left Afghanistan after fulfilling its objective.

America want to make a such govt in Afghanistan which would work under its directions. Now why America is planning to leave Aghanistan without defeating Terrorsts? Now American will try to have their influence indirectly through puppet govt.

President Obama has announced a deadline for the withdrawal of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan only because this war is proving costly.
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No doubt, the Western World is trying its utmost to defame Islam and Muslims in the name of terrorism, Al-Qaida, Extremism etc; on the other hand, Allah Almighty has gifted the Muslim world by various resources which indeed attracts the Western community, this ill perception and Greed will never be proved and fulfilled. It is only Islam that will ever remain and will succeed. It is our test to face these confrontations from the West.
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Why do we use the word "West" in comparison of a religion "Islam" ?

Being Muslim, is the West our enemy or Christian/Jews ?

Did they not remain our enemies in past ?

Is it a new war agenda that emerged in recent times ?

If there is a war between religious followers to continue until "Ja-al Haqq-u-wa za ha qal batil" , is it enough to blame or curse West/christian/Jews ?

If they are our declared and admitted enemies why are they not allowed to do anything in this war ?

If they are committed against Islam what are we doing except waiting for angels from skies ?

Honourable Member "waqas virk jat" rightly mentioned the defficiencies of Muslims in following post (Post No 10) in response of a relevant thread:



http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/d...y-only-us.html


I have repeatedly shared the way of improvement in many of my previous posts as:


a) Defficiency highlighting

b) Confession of your failures

c) Sincere efforts for improvement


Do we have decided to highlight our defficiencies instead of cursing and blaming others ?


In my very personal opinion, with apologies, I even dont see the listening attitude that is the basic necessity to highlight our defficiencies.


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Dear at that time Russia was like a super power which can challenge American motives anywhere in the world. CIA think tanks were planning to contain Russia as a prime motive alongwith other minor motives at that time. America used Muslim world to shatter Russian power without caring about its consequences.

In this way u will say that America attacked Iraq to capture weapons of mass destruction, liberate Iraqi people from cruelities of Sadam Hussain.

In late eighties, America was winner in proxy war as it became successful in defeating Russia through Muslim countries. It left Afghanistan after fulfilling its objective.

America want to make a such govt in Afghanistan which would work under its directions. Now why America is planning to leave Aghanistan without defeating Terrorsts? Now American will try to have their influence indirectly through puppet govt.

President Obama has announced a deadline for the withdrawal of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan only because this war is proving costly.
Question: US has a recent history of aggression against the Muslim countries of Afghanistan and Iraq. It is also threating to wage war on Iran another Muslim country. Would it be right to think of these US aggressions as a part of her general scheme to prevent any future rise of the Muslim World as a threat to US super power status?

Answer: No doubt the US is pre-occupied with the obsession to maintain its super power status. But to prevent the rise of any rival, America exhibited animosity more against non muslim countries like Russia, China, ( consider Korean situation as well although it is not a candidate in the race of world superemacy) and less against the muslim world. In fact, in conflict with the Muslim world, most of the time America reacted to a mischief on part of the Muslim country. Remember the gulf war in early nineties was not initiated by the US. It was Iraq's offense against Kuwait that triggered the conflict culminating in the US occupation of Iraq. Also remember that it was not US who waged the gulf war. Rather it was the UN security council whose stance was then supported by most of the Muslim world including Saudi Arab and Pakistan.

Thus it is clear that there is nothing to believe in the conspiracy theory explanation of the wars between the West and Islam put forth by a conservative and illiterate segment of the Muslim community obsessed with a self created sense of self pride. Even a bird's eye view comparison of the Muslim world and the West on economic, military, scientific and social planes clearly suggest that Muslims can by no means be a threat to the super power status of the later.

Another aspect .... when we say "Islam vs West", what we are referring to by the term Islam. In fact, it is an historical reality that there is, and there had been, no such union of Muslim countries as referred to by the popular and commonly-believed-upon terms like Muslim Ummah. Muslim Ummah is a religious term and we wrongly interpret it as a political one.
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