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i agree with you
but we can quote in each question
how many quotations do you think one needs for a question?
for me i think 3-6 / question are enough with solid and numerous points according to the question asked.
i don't say that one starts cramming books. only questions or quotations in such a way which can be utilized in different ways a question can be asked.
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Dear Doctor!!!

we should not restrict our answers to quotations and pages...paper is grander than all this (i believe it atleast)...


if i imagine myself in place of the person who is supposed to check my paper i try to write something that is grammatically and logically correct, the punctuation is taken care of....and yeah prolly one or two quotes...


the idea is not to impress the examiner with my knowledge....let us suppose 12,000 people appeared in 2010. i believe approximately 11999 people knew what services did Aibak, Ghori and Iltutmish render to the Delhi Sultanate....the test is not about the knowledge...the information possessed by the individuals is roughly the same...

so we should not tie our score to quotations alone....you may score well with simple english and structurally smooth flow of ideas rather than using many quotations but with no sense of time and place :P
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dear umar you are not getting the point
look all have same knowledge.ok i agree.
so how are you going to get more marks than others?
you have to present your knowledge ,your paper to examiner in a different and better way
e.g in arab conquest question or beginning of islam in subcontinent
i write all events which of course almost everyone knows,now i f i add map of trade routes of arab at that time, path of Muhammad Bin Qasim,then 4- 6 different quotes at different approaches and events.finally finishing the question with a good quote or good words to answer the question asked.
now tell me how by simple using good english one can get more marks?what is difference between one who listed 20 points with good english and one who also listed 20 points but with simple english? points are same
i have seen professors checking papers of history,philosophy and literature (not of css though), a glimpse at paper make them realise what books one has studied,what notes one used,so they keep on giving average marks.when a paper comes where someone has used a different approach they do check closely and score according to it.
so a well decorated paper with quotes ,maps,points,different perspective,analytical approach,and answer as asked in paper of history always get good marks
and of course for that one has to really work hard
so quotations do matter for getting good marks
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i never refuted that you don't need quotations..you need them but they are not everything...the way we Pakistani students are, chances are that the rest of 99.9% of us have also ratafied the same quotations...and if you look at the trends...people here study mostly the same books with the same approach...n secondly the trend has changed...they never ask about the things in a straight forward manner....that is why i said it earlier that keep it to the point and add quotations at the appropriate places, where that be at the end or the start...


now coming to the point of maps and stuff...my personal opinion is that such things are never required from an aspirant....or else they would point that out...but offcourse if one want's to add these graphs he is free to do so and there is not restriction on it...

my main theme is that the examiner is not interested in what happened...he is interested in why and how it happened and what were its effects....you are always indirectly quoting somebody...forexample, take the issue of Sind, whatever stance you may take, you show some inclination towards either of the two schools of thought...either you suggest that it had an impact or you say it did not....whatever your opinion might be, it is always based on somebody else's research, writing and quotations....

you can always add lines like these, and i personally believe that they convey their meaning equally good and are similar to adding quotes: "Although Stanely Lanepoole thinks that the Sind expedition was an episode in the history of Islam and this and that, but we can't certainly deny its importance in the history of this place and the impact that it left on the lives of the people of Sind".

now you can see you never directly quoted somebody but you did let the examiner know that you have gone through many different schools of thought and you may/may not agree to either of them....

and haan Doc!!!

sorry i forgot one thing...Simple english is the GOOD english...no matter how lavish the vocabulary you might have, until and unless you can't put them at the right place and at the right time...you have wasted everything at the end of the day..
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Hello seniorz and juniors.....
What if we write in paper before conclusion this thing
E.g if there comes a question on Babur as great Mughal emperor. And under new heading" Babur in the eyes of historians". And we quote few historians.
Will that be a good approach or not?
Plzzz guide me Ummer Abbas and Last Island and other respected seniors
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write quotations according to relevant paragraph...there is no need to write quotations under Separate heading..however its my own point of view,seniors can guide you much better,,,
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Dear Mansoor, fellow members have guided you very well that there is no need to give separate heading quoting statements of different historians. you can simply put quotes in releavnt para/heading.
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@ engr.Mansoor
hope what you are looking for , you get it
i want to tell you one more thing. indo-pak history is a subject chosen by thousands of aspirants,well prepared and well studied by aspirants.
but it is also checked by well organized system of css exam and examiners are miser to award marks in this subject.
remember you have to stand and look different from others to present yourself well in this subject.but you must have all points,and other necessary things which highlights your paper.when examiner checks a paper ,your style of presentation is your negotiator with examiner for more marks.
while studying a topic keep past papers in front of you,this will let you look at events in history with different approaches and also develops analytical view.
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