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zia wasim · #11 Thursday, August 01, 2013

ant one have philosophy book? where can i get books

tajmeer · #12 Thursday, August 01, 2013

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Originally Posted by zia wasim

ant one have philosophy book? where can i get books

Buy these books from markets its easily available.

1- Psychology and Life Gerrig, J. Richard
2- Introduction to Psychology by Morgan and King
3 -Abnormal Psychology by Neil Davisson

C1stWiki · #13 Thursday, December 12, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Philosophy can be covered in Two months time while along with other subjects, otherwise it hardly needs a month.

My friend there is no doubt that Philosophy is a subject of high intelletual nature and i would suggest that only those opt it who have read any sort of Philosophy as pleasure reading, those who are interested in this subject will get good marks but those who are opting it because Merit No 2 has secured good marks and so can you, then think again, you may end up wasting your time and then switching to any other subject would be difficult. I know that hardly 1% people used to opt that subject but since they have seen the result of Merit no 2, they have started opting, same as happened with Psychology.....

and Philosophy is not opted by Doctors, they might do worst in it, being Doctor and being good at philosophy are two different things, i don't know they study Philosophy in MBBS......

I doubt that you will find a teacher for that in any academy, you will have to go to an individual teacher, look my friend a teacher can't make you good at this subject if you are not interested, i think you must revisit your decision, however i can guide you, i also live in Lahore, my mail is in profile, contact me i can guide you in this regard.....

If one has to choose between Psychology and Philosophy? What should he prefer?

Bilal Hassan · #14 Thursday, December 12, 2013

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Originally Posted by C1stWiki

If one has to choose between Psychology and Philosophy? What should he prefer?

I would suggest you to go with Psychology. It is of very objective nature and if you have concepts then you will do good. Psychology has also set explicit syllabus to be followed.

On the other hand Philosophy is very profound subject, it may deceive you as well, like people think that it is scoring as well as easy, It is scoring and easy for that person who has a solid background in Philosophy as pleasure reading otherwise it would prove very disastrous. Its syllabus is also very vast. First of all you will have to concentrate a lot on comprehending a philosophical doctrine and even then your perspective may go awry.

So Psychology is easier and scoring as compared to Philosophy.

C1stWiki · #15 Friday, December 13, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

I would suggest you to go with Psychology. It is of very objective nature and if you have concepts then you will do good. Psychology has also set explicit syllabus to be followed.

On the other hand Philosophy is very profound subject, it may deceive you as well, like people think that it is scoring as well as easy, It is scoring and easy for that person who has a solid background in Philosophy as pleasure reading otherwise it would prove very disastrous. Its syllabus is also very vast. First of all you will have to concentrate a lot on comprehending a philosophical doctrine and even then your perspective may go awry.

So Psychology is easier and scoring as compared to Philosophy.

You scored 129 in PMS. What was your score in CSS? And can you kindly tell us regarding your background in Philosophy? Hassan Afzal's posts have always been quite encouraging about this subject. Do you disagree with him? Don't you think that the Logic Paper has the capacity of giving the aspirants mathematical marks?

Bilal Hassan · #16 Saturday, December 14, 2013

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Originally Posted by C1stWiki

You scored 129 in PMS. What was your score in CSS? And can you kindly tell us regarding your background in Philosophy? Hassan Afzal's posts have always been quite encouraging about this subject. Do you disagree with him? Don't you think that the Logic Paper has the capacity of giving the aspirants mathematical marks?

In PMS we don't have Logic, there are only Philosophies, that is why score is not that high in PMS. Logic is key to high score. I didn't have Philosophy in CSS. Hassan was the topper that's his good score in Philosophy was evident, and his views about Philosophy would be plausible and I partially agree with him. Logic, I reiterate, is the key to high score, yes it can give you pet marks but brother it very much depends on which questions you attempt, mostly aspirants chose subjective type of questions such as Informal Logic, Language, Induction etc, such questions can't guarantee full marks. Aspirants can't construct Formal Proofs of validity, they can't prove the arguments by Rules of replacement and Rules of Inference, these are the objective things, Categorical propositions and all such questions can give you mathematical marks.

And brother Logic is one paper, part II is about Philosophies which require profound understanding and which tests the real intellect of candidates, if you have that flair then you can do well. That subject is not as readily comprehensible as are other CSS subjects.

Best of Luck.

Hope you got my point.

C1stWiki · #17 Tuesday, December 17, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

In PMS we don't have Logic, there are only Philosophies, that is why score is not that high in PMS. Logic is key to high score. I didn't have Philosophy in CSS. Hassan was the topper that's his good score in Philosophy was evident, and his views about Philosophy would be plausible and I partially agree with him. Logic, I reiterate, is the key to high score, yes it can give you pet marks but brother it very much depends on which questions you attempt, mostly aspirants chose subjective type of questions such as Informal Logic, Language, Induction etc, such questions can't guarantee full marks. Aspirants can't construct Formal Proofs of validity, they can't prove the arguments by Rules of replacement and Rules of Inference, these are the objective things, Categorical propositions and all such questions can give you mathematical marks.

And brother Logic is one paper, part II is about Philosophies which require profound understanding and which tests the real intellect of candidates, if you have that flair then you can do well. That subject is not as readily comprehensible as are other CSS subjects.

Best of Luck.

Hope you got my point.

Brother! Thank you so much for your guidance. I appreciate that. As you know, that optional subjects in PMS 2012 proved to be the decisive factor in the final allocation of the candidates. The flying scoring trend of Geography and Punjabi gives ample proof of this fact. I still regret for not opting Punjabi in PMS, otherwise I would have been a bit higher in Merit order. So, it strengthens my belief in the concept of scoring trends. I have prepared Psychology for my CSS attempt but the devastating scores of Psychology this year are serving as an obstacle to my way of the highest possible scores. All those who got 160 plus marks in 2012 ended up with just 98 this year. That is why I am considering Philosophy and also looking at other options as well. What do you suggest me in this regard?

Bilal Hassan · #18 Wednesday, December 18, 2013

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Originally Posted by C1stWiki

Brother! Thank you so much for your guidance. I appreciate that. As you know, that optional subjects in PMS 2012 proved to be the decisive factor in the final allocation of the candidates. The flying scoring trend of Geography and Punjabi gives ample proof of this fact. I still regret for not opting Punjabi in PMS, otherwise I would have been a bit higher in Merit order. So, it strengthens my belief in the concept of scoring trends. I have prepared Psychology for my CSS attempt but the devastating scores of Psychology this year are serving as an obstacle to my way of the highest possible scores. All those who got 160 plus marks in 2012 ended up with just 98 this year. That is why I am considering Philosophy and also looking at other options as well. What do you suggest me in this regard?

Yes brother you are right, I also missed my allocation due to the same factor, none of my optional subject which include Political Science, Philosophy and Business Admin proved to be scoring, where I could secure around 130 marks in Philosophy and 118 in Political science with very good attempts, those who had Punjabi got 150 marks just for opting Punjabi,that was a factor very decisive, whenever I remember that I curse Punjabi and to make matters worse, it was opted by majority of candidates so those who did not opt Punjabi were outperformed by Punjabians, even the good performance in Viva could not help those who had not opted it so from now on be very prudent in your subject selection, at least in PMS it does matter as scoring trends seldom fluctuate there.

As for your decision about opting Philosophy is concerned, I would say that look at your cards, if you have some options better then Philosophy then go for it, however if you can grasp the essence of Philosophy then it may be good for you to opt it as Logic can still give you around 80 marks for sure if you do justice with the paper. I know many people who had spent 1.5 years on Philosophy and in both attempts they ended up securing around 110 and 100 marks. So its little riskier then Psychology, although this time Psychology proved disastrous but it is not because scoring trend fluctuated, it may have been so, but papers were so non stereotypical that crammers were discouraged. I think such an objective sort of subject as is Psychology must always be scoring and it has been so for last many years save this year.

So final suggestion is that, choose your optional subjects wisely, it may put your hard won success in written exam in jeopardy. If you understand the essence of Philosophy and generate your interest in that subject then it would be a good option. If you focus on Psychology and understand its concepts and have prowess on it then it may also be scoring, don't look at this year's results because these have been very unprecedented for every subject, look at the nature of the subject dear, Psychology is relatively more objective then whole subject of Philosophy.

I wish you very best of luck dear, after all you are my PMS fellow too.

Adonis · #19 Thursday, December 19, 2013

i have gone through this whole discussion regarding philosophy and found it quite interesting .. will you be kind enough to suggest standard books for philosophy and logic .... thank you ...

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