I dislike MQM with a passion but I believe that they are,like any other party: Innocent till proven guilty in a court of law.
Investigative journalism might be a good thing but we should understand the difference between the accused and guilty. Trust me, the difference is not a fine line.

Agreed. and this is exactly how the good guys have been exploited by the bad guys through the ages. the good guy won't shoot. the bad guy can and does. the good guy is restrained by his principles. the bad guy by nothing. the good guy maybe even pities the bad guy. the bad guy laughs at the good guy; calls him an idiot and an imbecile and weak.

but alas! i agree with you. and you are right.

but i do have a question to ask from all the MQM haterz. for the record i am not an MQM lover.
even if MQM has received funds from India so what?
Is MQM a terrorist organizaion? No. if yes then prove that.
Is MQM killing innocent people? No, if yes then prove that too.
MQM is a patriotic political party which is doing its utmost in the development and social and economic well being of the people of Karachi. so if they got a bit of charity from India for that purpose, then is that bad?

What type of proof is required? And what type of proof is not available yet?

Secondly, why would India need to sponsor a "political" party in Pakistan? What sort of benefits they are expecting? or it was for some humanitarian purposes? India is giving her charity to them?

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Do you guys realise that BBC published findings of the British authorities? Just in case you do not know, MQM is a declared terrorist organization in Canada (declared so by the court). Its members have been deported from rhe country on the same grounds in the past.

Just because we have dirty politics where ww have miserably failed to filter parties having militant wings does not imply MQM is innocent.

Those who are too naive to think that it was okay to receive funding from India for charity purposes should know why India recently put restrictions on Ford Foundation and restrained it from providing charity money without approval of the Indian government. Although this argument does not imply that MQM was using the Indian funding foe charity purposes.

But I do agree that it is the only party which had pro-muhajir agenda when they were even deprived from basic human rights. Muhajirs were suppressed a lot before the inception of MQM...The thing faded a lot after that...It is very much "reactionary" in it's ideology...

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The Muhajir card agenda of MQM by itself is a big deception, and is creating much chaos in Karachi. MQM should now wriggle out of this muhajir slogan; nothing substantial has been done by them for the muhajirs and these muhajirs will always remain ignorant.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar but i do have a question to ask from all the MQM haterz. for the record i am not an MQM lover. even if MQM has received funds from India so what? Is MQM a terrorist organizaion? No. if yes then prove that. Is MQM killing innocent people? No, if yes then prove that too. MQM is a patriotic political party which is doing its utmost in the development and social and economic well being of the people of Karachi. so if they got a bit of charity from India for that purpose, then is that bad?

Let's just say, for argument's sake that MQM is a patriotic political party(Which it isn't by the way)
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If MQM has received funds from India so what?? That's a very absurd question. Taking funds from the enemy is a horrible thing. WHY? Because then they are backing India's benefits.

When someone gives you money then it is for a reason they expect something in return..They aren't handing money to benefit Pakistan or for the welfare of its people.

You can't be this clueless to think that MQM took money for the development of Karachi and India was really really interested in the development of Pakistan. Because they love us so so much.Right!

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Patriotism is something else. As far as funding is concerned, many religious parties , as well as , religious seminaries are funded by Saudi Arabia , still KSA us funding , not only KSA, Kuwait, Qatar are also involved in funding. So what are their motives behind all this. ?
MQM is one of those parties, which are well organised, given chance to middle , lower middle class people to take part in politics. They gave chance to these people to represent themselves in assemblies. So as a party MQM is an organised , composed party. The reasons , why they are exploiting their voters, supporters in tha name of muhajir card is again some thing else.! Obviously muhajirs were suppressed class in Karachi. Its like ,, when you suppressed a class in society for too long , exploit them , consequently should expect some harsh reactions in any form. So us the case with MqM. Allegations are mere allegations untill MQM is proven guilty.


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1. so where is the proof?
2. yeah. why not. India may have been giving charity to them.


who in the name of the lord is Canada to declare a political party in Pakistan as terrorist? What sort of terrorist activities MQM did in Canada? and who for that matter is "british authorities"? unho nei keh dia bhai. ab tou pathar per lakeer hai. people don't agree on the interpretation of the Quran mere bhai, whats so special about "British authorities"? and if these are their findings and assuming they are true, what were they doing up till now giving shelter to Altaf Hussain? ab tak chiragh talay andhera tha? ab aankh khul gai un ki? aur ab jab khul gai hai tou aao aao bhayon sab british authorities kay lye chiraga kartay hain. kal kartay hai per wadhai mor mein.
you are basing your argument on the assumption that India is an enemy. is India an enemy? Thats why Pakistan wants to increase trade with India right:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1174962

and hey don't people and countries give out money in charity? what if India is doing that exactly?

The worrying part is not that MQM was funded by India. The most worrying part is that our generals and politicians continue forming alliances with them. General Musharraf was the greatest ally MQM had so you can very well imagine how much damage our army and generals have caused to this country.