AoA members.i need your valuable comments,examples,ground realities on topic
"National interest justifies everything"
Give some points for and against it.
Thanks
Mansoor Ali Shah

aoa Allah says: "Be thou kind as Allah hath been kind to thee"(28:71)
and "He will not be treated with kindness who does not show kindness"

the other argument comprises the two facts which need no supporting arguments that: Fisrt there is no wrong that man,nations or states can commit with impunity, and Second the well settled fact "as you sow so shall you reap"

http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/d...ndi-cmh-2.html

you may go through the link provided.i have spoken for somewhat similiar concerns under the discussion provided in this link(post no. 13).
regards

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There is little difference between the personal interest and national interest of the rulers in pakistan. So they do everything in the national interest but often doing it for their personal interest. Example;

1- Ouster of Z. A. Buttho by Zia.
Was it in national interest or personal interest of Zia ?

2- Ouster of Nawaz Sharif
Was it in national interest or in the interest of Mussharaf ?

3- Afghan war in 80s
What national interest was involved then ?

4- Current war on terror
What is national interest in it ?

There are several other examples that show our rulers justfy many wrongs on the name of National Interest, but in fact they are gaining personal benefits out of it.
Ask them and they will say we are doing it in National Interest.

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Aslam-o-Alaikum dear fellow,
You said that the current war on terror was in personal interest not of national interest.However,as far as my precious knowledge is concern,if government stops fight against war on terror,it will be misery gut for the nation.Moreover,terrorism is one of the great flaws government has been facing.further,To make the lives of next generation peaceful,to integrate the nation,to develope the country and it's relationship with other eastern and western countries there is dire need of wipping out the terrorism at the behest of nations interest.On the other hand, undoubtedly,government plans some nafarious activities by the dint of others to prolong its rule by the hook or by the crook but it doesn't mean that this war more for personal interest and less for national interest.lastly,the rulers have some matter of humanity but unfortunately it has been misunderstood.So, i don't think that this war on terror is only planned for personal interest..Please seniors comments
Regards

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(Allam Iqbal)

Dear fellow,

Here lies the problem of perception. The people you are describing as terrorists are Mujahdeen of Islam for others. Zia took advantage of them to prolong his rule in the "National Interest" Similarly, Musharraf took advantage of the rift between USA and Mujahdeen and started the war against terrorism in the "national Interest" but his hidden agenda was his personal interest.
There is a thin line between the national interest and personal interests of the rulers and they take full advantage of it.

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Seperation of East Pakistan was not in the National Interest but It was also the game of Personal interest.

AoA,
Sir the national interest includes four of the following:

1:-National and territorial integrity;
2:-Maintenance of security and sovereignty of the state;
3:-Development of the state into a welfare state; and,
4:-Strong, friendly, stable and healthy relations with the neighboring countries and the world community.

This is the concept of national interest in political science and IR.all the policies of the govt revolve around these four fundamental elements. The states take decisions keeping in view these factors.u can say that these are the determinants of national home and foreign policies.

As far as ur argument that “Does the national interest justify everything”??
Yes, of course, whenever the national interest of a country is threatened, it resorts to all sources of normalizing the threat. the states also go to war with other states just for the sake of securing national interest. no country can compromise over the national interest.

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Dear fellows,,, if we breach into the history we will come to kno that every time national interest is kept on the priority by any government....for e.g
Afghan war was in our national interest nd we got involve in that and it is crystal clear that we have been benefited frm that.... similarly if we analyze the political successions in governments we will come to kno that every term remains in our national interest.
Its true that some of personal interests are also fulfilled bt those are remained inferior to the national interest.

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Rafique......some of fellows have discussed National Intrest and Individual Intrest....but these two are quite different approaches. Whenever the word "National" is attached to intrest,it brings a broader meaning.National Intrest may be in term of power and power may be hard power or soft power,but the actual mean of national intrest is to pursue Power in world politics either by hook or by crook,either in term of Hard power or soft power,material power or psychological power,these alll comes in term of national intrest.
Now if we come to the real politics of today world,we cannot deny the fact and the saying of |Hans J.Morgenthau: "Nations have intrests,no friendship."
Againg Nicolo Miachevelli says that : if comes to the national intrest,then the prince should not hesitate to sacrify the individual(s) intrest over the national intrest....so it is crystal clear here that National intrest justifes everything,even if USA raided Afghanistan and then Iraq,it was in their national intrest as they had power and power is in-effective unless and untill you demonstrate it.

@Hayat
Sir I am fully agreed with u bt the main point that we are going to discuss is that in Pakistan hw this philosphy can be justified?????

Zia erra & Afghanistan?
Successive governaments of Nawaz & BB?
And the most hard issue Military operations in the country?

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