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The achievements of Musharaf are open to debate but i dont want to go in to details because for me it is not of that importance . In my perspective , and all the members have right to disagree, the person who breached his oath and abrogated the constitution is a criminal.I know we are the nation who believe on saviours and always waited for some one who would come and rescue us from all the predicaments.It may happen in stories and fiction but not in modern world where individuals can not save the nations.
Look at India ,where 30 pc member members of Look Saba have criminal record ,allegations of corruption against siting ministers are not out of ordinary ,even national level politicizations have been allegedly maintaining links with under world. Yet is deemed as emerging power of world and has earned profound respect across the globe. What had made india to achieve this status? Its democracy ,continuity and stability. Where we stand???? We will keep moving in circle unless we mend our ways.In my view continuity of system is the only way to survival.We should stop giving respect to those who abrogate the sacrosanct agreement between state and citizenry ,the constitution.
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Dear Saleeqa batool:
I respect your views but disagree at the same time.we cant compare apple with orange and vice -versa. Most Pakistani politicians, currently being widely criticized for encouraging family-based politics, can take a lead from the Congress party of India if they wish to transform the dynastic characters of their parties and are really interested in running their entities on democratic lines. Former Indian Premier Rajiv Gandhi’s son Rahul is personally striving to bring about inner party democracy in the Congress. According to eminent Indian writer Rasheed Kidwai, who also wrote the biography of Rahul’s mother Sonia, the 40-year old grandson of Indira Gandhi has hired a retired election commissioner to design processes that could ensure that free elections are held within the Congress. Our leaders need to mend their corrupt ways before we fall into Anarchy.
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For a contrary view...a blog by Anas Abbas on Express Tribune.
Pakistan’s ‘Johnny Bravo’ returns Pervez Musharraf recently announced his intention to return to Pakistan and actively take part in politics. He still seems to enjoy strong support among the Pakistani elite and urban middle class, business community and some political stakeholders. There are expectations that he will bring back the policies of his era which will lead to peace and economic prosperity. The following is intended as an analysis of his policies and reforms and the regions they benefited most. Economy Pakistan’s significant economic gains since 2002, which the Musharraf government takes credit for, were due to the impact of international post 9/11 developments. After 9/11, Pakistan was granted a rare debt reschedule treatment by the Paris Club Donors. In December 2001, a total of $12.5 billion of debt was rescheduled (Economic Survey 2001-2002). Yet, recent State Bank reports show that by 2008, Pakistan’s total debt and liabilities increased substantially. During Musharraf’s era, the economic situation only appeared to be improving because of favourable terms granted to Pakistan in the light of 9/11. These consisted of export incentives, like greater market access to the EU, debt rescheduling, and one-time incentives like U.S. grants and Saudi investments. Thus, the temporary relief was due to external factors that the Musharraf government knew would not exist in future years. The growth of foreign remittances was also not great. It was due to the international crackdown on the Hawala network in the wake of 9/11, which resulted in direct transfers to Pakistan instead of rerouting from Dubai. By 2008, the economic situation had worsened, implying that even with all the favourable terms Pakistan had received after 9/11, the Musharraf government did not use any of these opportunities to reform economic policy to ensure long term sustainability. In 2002, the Musharraf government abolished wealth tax, which had been in effect since 1966 and was payable on assets which were not subjected to Zakat deduction. It was a tax act designed to tax the richest and hence was capable of bringing in considerable revenue, which could have been used towards disaster relief. In 2001, on the orders of General Musharraf, military pensions were separated from the defence budget and allocated to the civilian budget, which then resulted in a decrease in overall defence spending. This pension bill has increased from Rs 26 billion in 2001 to 72 billion in 2010. It is, after all, politically advantageous for a military ruler to show a decline in defence spending. Electricity In 1999, Pakistan had surplus electricity. At the time, the economic growth rate was 2 per cent. When growth picked up in 2003, plans should have been put in place by the Musharraf government to provide electricity to a larger and rapidly expanding economy. But by 2005, there was a shortfall of electricity which has continued until today. Pakistan has always had electricity problems and Musharraf’s government is just as responsible for neglecting this issue as previous governments. Terrorism The present security situation in Pakistan’s cities is worse than two years ago when Musharraf resigned. But things have changed in the past two years; the US’s focus has shifted from Iraq to Afghanistan. If Musharraf came to power today, he would be forced to take the same course of action as the current government. In 2008, the US’s priority was Iraq. Pakistan was strategically indispensible as the U.S. was measuring its success by the number of al Qaeda operatives caught by Pakistan. Musharraf was able to sign peace agreements with the Taliban at the cost of the locals in Fata and Waziristan, who the Taliban would rule. Today, a number of major military operations have taken place, which is the main cause of retaliatory attacks in Pakistani cities. The urban population is suffering from a situation similar to what locals in the northern areas suffered when the Musharraf government signed the so-called peace agreement. India and Baluchistan Ties with India have also followed a similar pattern. After 9/11, due to military engagements in Afghanistan, the US forced Musharraf’s government to allocate its military resources from the Indian front to the Afghanistan borders. Under US pressure, Musharraf had no choice but to normalise relations with India. Musharraf has also now taken the traditional political approach of accusing India of supporting the insurgency in Balochistan. In fact, his policies played a major role in creating instability in Balochistan. But he insists on championing the absurd theory that India is operating over 20 embassies in Afghanistan and uses them to destabilise the Baluchistan region, when in fact India operates the same number of embassies as Pakistan: five. Media After 9/11, it became politically beneficial for Musharraf to allow the media some freedom. It was a way to show the world that Pakistan is one step closer to modernising and it certainly did impress the Western world. It is clear, however, that free speech was not part of Musharraf’s ideology, since it was only after 9/11 that he adopted this policy. What this means Musharraf’s claims that he can bring economic prosperity and peace to Pakistan are nothing short of politicking. Thus far, the analysis shows that Musharraf, like any other politician in Pakistan, took most initiatives either under foreign pressure, or for political gain. Before 9/11, Pakistan was going to default on its debt and was about to be declared a pariah state. The events of 9/11, as horrible as they were, turned out to favourable for Pakistan. Whether it was accommodative economic incentives or geopolitical concessions, Musharraf was smart enough to use it for his own gain but was no less shrewd than his predecessors. In the current environment, his policies would be unsustainable, as the US is heavily engaged in Afghanistan, so no peace agreements can bring about relief. Similarly, the current economic situation is also different; none of Musharraf’s policies are sustainable, as excessive spending and a lack of infrastructural investment during his era have worsened past problems. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Add to all that he compromised our principal position on a key issue like Kashmir by going for an out of the box approach with no official record and giving up our claim of resolving the issue according to UN Security Council Resolutions.
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Why not the so called brave Musharraf ready to come back to his country which he used to refer to while holding presidency as "Sab Say Phly Pakistan".
Realistically, he knows the repercussions of his seeds which he sowed in the country during his tenure......... Against 50 reasons , I can quote more than 100 achievements of the present government, yet still criticising it. |
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I am agreed with 50 achievements by him, and the credit goes to Mushraf only for this, what about the blunders he did? We can't blame Shoukat Aziz or Choudhry brothers for greatest blunders made during his rule? This is the same Media who was crying, who is crying who will cry! Its their job to create panic. Regards,
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100 points are eagerly awaited.
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When it comes to Musharraf every body has different perceptions, half of the people says he was good while half claims he was bad....What about the present government?
Almost 75per cent (Personal observation) says this is pathetic government and remaining 25 percent out of the most of PPP members or leades define they are fair... I dont want to jump to the conclusion & also Musharraf is not my favourite but yes what he did good deeds thats really marvellous..... but we have our mind set wile analysing the person we always think apathetically first and judge him his wrong performances. If he has 50 valid reason to be back.....I want to request the opponents please give 51 reasons which defend he should not be back.
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healthy discussion...
Musharraf is better if we compare our today's situation with past....but if want to be the part of the Govt. than he should be wait for 2013.... If, there will be any forcefully change in present Govt. than it'll be not in the favour of Pakistan. We must have to perfrom rationally....I think now people are considering that any "Ala-Din Ka Charagh" come and correct the all incorrectness.....It is not possible....... Now a days media is in continouslly in compaign against the Govt. and trying to derail the democracy, so that they(media) can arrange many many breaking news for there news channel..... At the end Musharraf is Good, but, he has to wait untill 2013........ It is good for us,, for Pakistan....
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Misdeeds of Current Government is not a Valid Reason for Mush to come back
Look Back - Course of 63 Years History of Pakistan. Successors were Worst than Predecessors. If we look back in time; we face a bitter truth that we traveled towards decay and worst. Every ruler or government received a warm welcome on arrival but with the passage of time in office they disappoint the nation. They broke their pledges, abandoned the oath and lead us to the worst. For decades, the Pakistani ruling classes have done nothing but pillage and plunder this land in their frantic greed and lust.
We long for the previous government due blunders and plunders of the office bearers. Due to this we are longing for Mush because his era now looks better than the current but this is not a sound reason. Mush has performed his part of the play and that was not worth living too..
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