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Not only Non-Muslims but some Muslims too are indulging themselves in a very serious sin or act of blasphemy or hate words against any religion whose reprecussions don't stop at an individual or an organization but go onto whole humanity. Looking at this subject's importance we should explore it further and find the answers that pacify our questioning souls.

AS PER CHRISTIANITY & JUDAISM:

The punishment for blasphemy in most of the major religions is death. It is stated in the Old Testament of the Bible, which is the authority for both the Jews and the Christians:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: [Book of Leviticus 24:16]

AS PER HINDUISM:

In the religious book of Manusmriti, the Law book of the Hindus, it says:

“If a man born of a lower class intentionally bothers a priest, the king should punish him physically with various forms of corporal and capital punishment that make men shudder.” [Manusmriti 9:248]

AS PER ISLAM:

Regarding the punishment for blasphemy in Islam, it is mentioned in the Glorious Qur’an:

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;” [Surah Al-Maidah 5:33].

Hence, it is only Islam that gives 3 different options for blashphmy and apostacy punishment in addition to death...


We Should Wait for the Findings of Court....

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Blasphemy laws in Pakistan


Offenses relating to religion: Pakistan Penal code

295-B Defiling, etc, of copy of Holy Quran. Whoever will fully defiles, damages or desecrates a copy of the Holy Quran or of an extract therefrom or uses it in any derogatory manner or for any unlawful purpose shall be punishable for imprisonment for life.
295-C Use of derogatory remarks, etc; in respect of the Holy Prophet. Whoever by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.
298-A Use of derogatory remarks, etc..., in respect of holy personages. Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo or insinuation, directly or indirectly defiles a sacred name of any wife (Ummul Mumineen), or members of the family (Ahle-bait), of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), or any of the righteous caliphs (Khulafa-e-Rashideen) or companions (Sahaaba) of the Holy Prophet description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
298-B Misuse of epithet, descriptions and titles, etc. Reserved for certain holy personages or places.
Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves Ahmadis or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation:

refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), as "Ameerul Momneen", "Khalifat-ul-Momneen", "Khalifat-ul-Muslimeen", "Sahaabi" or "Razi Allah Anho";

refers to or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), as Ummul-Mumineen;

refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family (Ahle-Bait) of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), as Ahle-Bait; or

refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family (Ahle-Bait) of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), as Ahle-Bait; or

refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship as Masjid; shall be punished with imprisonment or either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

Any person of the Qadiani group or Lahore group, (who call themselves Ahmadis or by any other names), who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, refers to the mode or from of call to prayers followed by his faith as "Azan" or redites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

298-C Persons of Qadiani group, etc, calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith. Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves Ahmadis or any other name), who directly or indirectly, posses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years ans shall also be liable to fine.


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Disgusting, is the word I would use for the whole discussion because it would end as usual, no one accepting the valid arguments (my belief and your belief). As last island has said that He/She does not believe in Pakistani laws and most of us would have the same ideas than what would be the solution? Islam has some strict punishments for certain crimes, if they are not punishable by our land's law then what? Should we use our own wisdom and kill people on our own publicly? Better not to quote Quran or Hadith as most of us would be naive at understanding. My point is that
1- Many people consider it a part of their religious belief to kill a person who they think (decide) is a blasphemer, is it right in any civilized society? And what about those who do not believe in this ideology (are they non-Muslims?)
2-What about those who give open fatwas based on their limited knowledge or thinking (Sarwat Ejaz declared death penalty for Sherry Rehman, Salman Taseer and Rana Sanaullah in a public gathering some days ago), should they not be punished for persuading people to kill others (as constitution provides)?
3-Does killing anyone publicly in the name of Islam do a service to Islam or Pakistan?
4-Should we forgive Mumtaz Hussain Qadri and award him Hilal e Imtiaz for killing a person who was supporting an alleged blasphemer? If it is the case then why should we not kill her whole family, her relatives and all others supporting her to get highest ranks in Jannah without doing much labor?
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1-If he/she proves with all evidences as blasphemer, "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;” [Surah Al-Maidah 5:33]"

2-Please mention the deatils of that FATWA nad your reccomendations with proper Law/Section/refernce?

3-NO, but the ristriction is that: He/She must be just ANYONE by record & Sayings.


4-The issue is not only supporting that Women, please study the matter in detail.
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someone molested my sister, my daughter.. And promises to never do it again. I should forgive. Someone kills my parents, and promises to not do it again. I should forgive. Someone abuses my prophet (PBUH )publicly.. And promises not to do it again. I should forgive. Ok. Fine.
Dude, you are advised to learn to differentiate between Sin and Crime.

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In the 1920's a young man named Ghazi Elam Din Shaheed, seemingly an ordinary mortal was hanged in India for killing RAJPAL, the publisher of an inflammatory book defaming and vilifying Prophet Muhammad (SAW). It is interesting to note that Quaid e Azam, Dr Sir Muhammad Iqbal and Dr Muhammad Din Taseer were closely associated in favoring Elam Din Shaheed. The case went to court and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was his defence lawyer. Jinnah urged Ilm Din to enter a plea of not guilty plea and to say that he had acted due to extreme provocation. The fact that Ilm Din was only 19 years old would have also worked in his favour. Ilm Din refused to offer
such a plea and insisted that he was proud of his actions. This case was the only one that Jinnah ever lost.

The young man was hanged and the authorities buried him without any Janazah (funeral) prayer being offered for him. Mass demonstrations broke out and there the tension between the Hindu and Muslim communities was palpable. The inhabitants of Lahore wanted Ilm Din's body returned in order to give him an Islamic janaza (funeral). Reportedly, Dr Muhammad Din Taseer, the first Ph D in the Sub continent and father of Salman Taseer arranged the burial.

Two celebrated activists - the poet Dr. Muhammed Allama Iqbal and Mian Abdul Aziz - campaigned to have the body of Ilm Din returned to Lahore for the Janaza prayer. The British were worried that this would incite unrest. Only after Allama Iqbal gave his assurance to the British that no riots would erupt, was permission given.

When the body of Ilm Din was exhumed from its grave, it was found to be the intact without any change whatsoever. The kaffan (shroud) had not changed its colour - a full 15 days after the hanging. Mawlana Zafar Ali Khan said ahead of the burial: "Alas! If only if I had managed to attain such a blessed status!" Allama Iqbal carried the funeral bier along its final journey. As Iqbal placed the body of Ilm Din into the grave, he tearfully declared: "This uneducated young man has surpassed us, the educated ones."
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It is interesting to note that Quaid e Azam, Dr Sir Muhammad Iqbal and Dr Muhammad Din Taseer were closely associated in favoring Elam Din Shaheed. The case went to court and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was his defence lawyer.
brother can you give reference of the book from where u extracted this information?plus is there anyone else on the forum who can confirm this?

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LONDON: Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, chairman of Pakistan’s ruling party, on Monday condemned the killing of late Governor Punjab Salmaan Taseer for seeking changes to blasphemy laws, and called those celebrating his death “the real blasphemers.”

Bilawal, the son of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto who was assassinated in 2007, also pledged to defend the country’s minorities who have been targeted in the recent past.

“To the Christian and other minority communities in Pakistan, we will defend you,” he said at a memorial ceremony in London for Salmaan Taseer, the governor of Punjab who was killed by his own security guard last week. “Those who wish to harm you for a crime you did not commit will have to go through me first.”

Taseer, a leading politician in the ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), had spoken out in defense of a Christian woman, Aasia Bibi, who had been sentenced to death under blasphemy laws which critics say are misused, often to settle personal scores.

The man who confessed to his killing has been celebrated as a hero by some in Pakistan, and up to 50,000 people joined a rally organised by religious parties in the city of Karachi on Sunday to oppose any changes in the blasphemy laws.

Bhutto condemned all those who justified violence in the name of Islam, through suicide attacks and murder. “To those who are praising or justifying these crimes, I say: you along with the killers of Shaheed (martyr) Salman Taseer are the real blasphemers.”

Taseer’s killing has further cowed those in Pakistan promoting liberal, secular views, and PPP politicians including Bhutto’s father, President Asif Ali Zardari, have been criticised for failing to speak out.

Bhutto, who is studying in England, said “The dark forces of violent extremism, intolerance and bigotry are intent on devouring our country and our faith and Taseer’s killing was meant to cow its opponents into remaining silent and frightened.”

He said he would uphold the legacy of his mother and his grandfather, former Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was hanged in 1979. “I will not be silenced by fear.”

He also condemned clerics who warned against mourning Taseer’s death, saying of those who threatened Muslims who prayed or grieved for him. “You too shall be defeated,” he said.

Five hundred religious scholars from the mainstream Barelvi religious tradition had praised Taseer’s killer and said those who mourned his death could meet the same fate.

“The assassination of Shaheed Salman Taseer is not about liberals versus conservatives or moderate versus radical Islam. It is about right and wrong,” Bilawal said.

Religious parties rarely win much electoral support in Pakistan but they have the capacity to bring large numbers out into the streets. The PPP-led coalition government has been criticised for failing to deliver the kind of governance needed to turn the tide against militancy.

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