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I dont think the article was biased , however It is sure that we have become an intolerant nation. A house divided against itself nation as we are. What geo stretegic intrests our policy regarding Afghanistan is serving. Plagued by ethno religious violence besides rampant corrupition, authoritarianism Pakistan is reduced to a failed state, but our policies are still defence oriented. Pakistan does not face an immediate threat from India neither there exists any ground for assuming that India will attack Pak in the future. However Pakistan is confronting a far greater threat to its existence from home grown political econmic and social meladies.
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the article is biased in a sense that yes it very truthfully represents PAK armys reluctancy against carrying out an operation against taliban but dont throw a light on why it is reluctant to go against taliban when they are a source of distabalization in PAK...and without that other picture anyone reading this article would get a take negative view of PAK army...things arent that simple as they appear


furthermore an interesting,weired or whatever view of mine.....if we take out the terrorism and bomb blasts in PAK out of the equation then the present situation is the best for us because we can neither afford U.S to be a ruler in afghanistan nor taliban and not even northeren alliance...it is best if they keep on fighting like this for some time and in this way both of them would become weaker...

but ultimately the loss would be of afghan people...which is sad

all this can end if PAK,saudia,iran,india stop there intervention in afghanz matters and help her sincerely for their own benefit in coming up with a peacefull setup of governece

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Pakistan does not face an immediate threat from India neither there exists any ground for assuming that India will attack Pak in the future. However Pakistan is confronting a far greater threat to its existence from home grown political econmic and social meladies.
PAK is alwayz facing an immediate threat from india...each and every move of them confirms it..i am not going to give very big examples but just look at the their small steps which shows you there intensity of hatredness towards us...
1.they are trying there level best to throw PAK out of international cricket....there has been a proposal by them to keep PAK out of 2011 world cup..just look at them how they hate us
2.some days back we ordered some cotton from india and trucks were at the wahga border but when they realized that PAK has a very bad cotton crop this year..they send back the trucks of cotton so that our industries suffer more...


india is way way ahead of us in conventional warhead weapons and statistically speaking our army dont stand a chance against them..the only two things keeping them away from us are
1.our nuclear weapons
2.the loss which PAK can inflict to them
3.indiaz afraid that if a war breaks out PAK can go against there nuclear sites and destroy them which would render them very weak against china

breaking news.....we are already at war with india but only that the style and mode af war is different this time...they are doing a propogenda against us all over the world...they are infultrating in balochistan...they would not miss any chance of crushing us economically

but however we dont have any immediate threat of a conventional war with india at the moment(wesay even of that we can not be sure of as the tactically it is the best time for india to attack)..and the greater threat is from within
the object of writing all above is to show that we are at war with india
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If India is doing what you say Propaganda and supporting rebels, Pakistan is doing the same by supporting Taliban and other millitant groups. whatever that is happening is the result of trust deficit infact we could have developed better relations with India had we been realist, unfortunatly we are an emotional nation always taken away by emotions. Some times we become champion of Islam at other Leader of UMMAh disregarding the fact that we are a house divided agaist itself and such house can never stand said A. Lincoln
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If India is doing what you say Propaganda and supporting rebels, Pakistan is doing the same by supporting Taliban and other millitant groups. whatever that is happening is the result of trust deficit infact we could have developed better relations with India had we been realist, unfortunatly we are an emotional nation always taken away by emotions. Some times we become champion of Islam at other Leader of UMMAh disregarding the fact that we are a house divided agaist itself and such house can never stand said A. Lincoln
i agree with whatever u said except the fact that PAK is also doing the same as india is doing...why?
the answer to this is in the question what were the consequences which forced PAK to come up with this setup of jihadiz and taliban?we were forced to do this by india...
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i agree with whatever u said except the fact that PAK is also doing the same as india is doing...why?
the answer to this is in the question what were the consequences which forced PAK to come up with this setup of jihadiz and taliban?we were forced to do this by india...

Blame game is good justification and is going on for the last 60 years but it did not resolve anything. who forced whom is immaterial we should clean this mess ones and for all. And this is in our national interest it will open up opportunities for Pakistan. But it is unlikely so long as you and me believed that India is our enemy.
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Blame game is good justification and is going on for the last 60 years but it did not resolve anything. who forced whom is immaterial we should clean this mess ones and for all. And this is in our national interest it will open up opportunities for Pakistan. But it is unlikely so long as you and me believed that India is our enemy.

ver well said...but at the same time i can not close my eyes and wish for peace and friendship when there is no positive response from other side...for the past 10 12 years we are almost begging india to come on table and the response is not a secret..what one can do here...

hwever it is my wish that PAK india should join hands and be one
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@Call for Change
I agree with you on every point except one and that is if we reduce our rule in Afghanistan then the vacuum will be filled by our enemies and they will start hatching conspiracies against us from there which we will never like, so we are forced to play this role in Afghanistan to safeguard our interests but yes definitely as said by you not on the cost of innocent Afghans.

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Your arguments are far away from reality dear fellow. India is our enemy and is continuously on war with us, take a single example of Balochistan and you will get the point. It is in our "national interest" to realise our enemy.

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India is always Pakistan's enemy # 1.Since 1947 till the Present day,they never let any chance to destroy and isolate Pakistan domestically by interrupting in Baluchistan and other Parts of the country like Swat etc and Internationally, they have always raised voice against Pakistan.

In recent days German Chanceller was motivated by Singh when he was there to even speak a single word against pakistan,Consequently her statment was, Chancellor Angela Merkel reportedly asked Pakistan not to use terror as a means to seek an end to a political problem at a press conference during the recently concluded visit by the Indian prime minister to Berlin.

Pakistan on Monday reacted angrily to remarks by the top leaders of two key European countries, in which they accused Islamabad of using terror to extract political mileage.

The strong statements about Pakistan by Germany’s chancellor and France’s president prompted the Foreign Office to summon the German and French envoys to express displeasure, Pakistan’s The Express Tribune reported Tuesday.

Separately during a visit to India, French President Nicolas Sarkozy accused Pakistan of allowing “safe havens” to extremists in its tribal border areas and said it was “unacceptable” that terror networks could find refuge in Pakistan and use it as a springboard to attack India, French troops in Afghanistan or other countries The Foreign Office statement said Pakistan was surprised and disappointed by the remarks by the two leaders.

“Both France and Germany are well aware of the great sacrifices being rendered by Pakistan in the ongoing fight against terrorism. Therefore, incriminating Pakistan in the context of terrorism is unjustified and uncalled for,” the statement said.

Responding to the demarche, the German charge d’ affaires said the chancellor’s remarks had been misquoted. Chancellor Merkel had outlined the general principles of Germany’s counterterrorism policy and her remarks were not Pakistan-specific, he said..

The above clearly shows the intentions and regards towards Pakistan.This is the single example from which one can easily estimate their mearsurment tools towards us.
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