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Dear according to this theory By Darwin A man is the ascendent of monkey and through evolution man gets his present shape and physique...And in Quran Allah said that Insan is "ASHRAF UL MAKHLOOQAT" and also describes that Monkeys , Gorrilas and Pigs are the Deteriorated form of Man...

So how can we say that this theory is true? and one more thing if evolution is true then why dont human face any revolution now ?

This is the Fabricated theories by the West...thats it
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I had one time listened to Maulana Israar saying something on this theory that those Homo Habilis and Erectus existed but they did not possessed the soul...The True man Adam was created by Allah and then He incorporated Rooh in him...I personally do not negate the theory of evolution..As In First Para of Holy Quran the Angels clearly say that The man will be mischievous if he was created..Means that the Angels were well aware of Man's nature..
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Brother , it cant be denied that Muslims as well need a scientific approach towards all phenomenal activities that happens around but beleiving in crap which suggests that our ancestors once were animals ?
That is the point, don't believe the crap and prove its falsehood in a scientific way instead of taking leaps of faith. This is the need of time. Prophet (SAW) worked hard to explain faith to people of his times, it is our duty to work hard in scientific age to prove the truthfulness of Allah (SWT)'s revelation. Non-believing evolutionist are bringing evidence of evolution, they have strong arguments while we, the believers, have only theological rhetoric. Allah (SWT)'s revelation is final, true and ultimate and He has already given hints in His revelation, work them out and prove it scientifically. Evolution is observed to be continuously occurring at cellular and organic level, what scientists say is that over millions of years of time these continuous changes produce new species from existing species which then reproduce and spread and fossil record also support that notion; therefore they infer that we have evolved from some species of apes whose genetic make-up resemble ours. Christians who have long been resisting such theories have finally given into that, now they are filling the gaps in evolutionary theory with faith (for example they say ok even if we evolved from apes, still at some point we have first pair of humans and they were Adam and Eve and God put in them His soul , or that process of natural selection is a proof of divine guidance of evolution instead of survival of the fittest). Islam is the religion God has preferred over all other religions. There are many verses of Quran that invoke curiosity for exploration, but what are we doing. It is mentioned (or atleast hinted) in Quran that there was life on earth before first humans, isn't it far better to understand it scientifically and continue to struggle for true knowledge instead of accepting tafseers by medieval era theologians who knew nothing about science (at that time, they can't be blamed for that as they tried their level best to explain) and therefore described prior life to be jinns or some invisible creatures. Now I thoroughly believe that jinns are invisible creatures who dwell amongst us even to this day and they were created before us by Allah (SWT) (I have experience of that as well ), but how would you get scientific evidence of jinns dwelling as life forms on earth before humans?? Quran does not mention that Allah (SWT) wiped jinns out, or made them invisible to Adam and Eve. Would you say dinosaurs or other extinct species were jinns . For example, how would you explain following aayahs (scientifically, not theologically ):

إن الله اصطفى آدم ونوحا وآل إبراهيم وآل عمران على العالمين
Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds -

ذرية بعضها من بعض والله سميع عليم
Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
(Al-Imran, 33, 34)

Allah (SWT) chose Noah, family of Abraham and the family of Imran over the worlds, that is understandable because they were born among human societies, but what worlds did Allah (SWT) choose Adam over?? World of Jinns??

إن يشأ يذهبكم أيها الناس ويأت بآخرين وكان الله على ذلك قديرا
If He wills, He can do away with you, O people, and bring others [in your place]. And ever is Allah competent to do that. (An-Nisa', 133)

Theologically it can be put in ways like Allah (SWT) can do anything, Allah (SWT) can bring back jinns to replace mankind, or Allah (SWT) can have one people enslaved by other people, ofcourse those are the only explanations that medieval era theologians could give, but today it can be scientifically explained through evolution.

ألم تر أن الله خلق السماوات والأرض بالحق إن يشأ يذهبكم ويأت بخلق جديد
Have you not seen that Allah created the heavens and the earth in truth? If He wills, He can do away with you and produce a new creation. (Ibrahim, 19)

Again there will be a medieval era theological description and there is a evolutionary possibility verifying that is possible .

قال ربنا الذي أعطى كل شيء خلقه ثم هدى
He said, "Our Lord is He who gave each thing its form and then guided [it]." (Taha, 50)

Again, evolution gives a scientific explanation of this.

أولم ير الذين كفروا أن السماوات والأرض كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما وجعلنا من الماء كل شيء حيّ أفلا يؤمنون
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (Al-Anbya, 30)

This aayah even goes further and confirms the cosmological event of the Big Bang as well as confirming common creation of living things. There are so many signs in Quran that can be better explained with evolution.

نحن خلقناهم وشددنا أسرهم وإذا شئنا بدلنا أمثالهم تبديلا
We have created them and strengthened their forms, and when We will, We can change their likenesses with [complete] alteration. (Al-Insan, 28)

إن في خلق السماوات والأرض واختلاف الليل والنهار والفلك التي تجري في البحر بما ينفع الناس وما أنزل الله من السماء من ماء فأحيا به الأرض بعد موتها وبث فيها من كل دابة وتصريف الرياح والسحاب المسخر بين السماء والأرض لآيات لقوم يعقلون
Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason. (Al-Baqarah, 164)

وما من دابة في الأرض ولا طائر يطير بجناحيه إلا أمم أمثالكم ما فرطنا في الكتاب من شيء ثم إلى ربهم يحشرون
And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. (Al-An'am, 38)


Evolution explains all these scientifically .

إن شر الدواب عند الله الصم البكم الذين لا يعقلون
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason. (Al-Anfal, 22)

إن شر الدواب عند الله الذين كفروا فهم لا يؤمنون
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe - (Al-Anfal, 55)

There even Allah (SWT) categorizes humans among animals or mere 'living creatures'

والله خلق كل دابة من ماء فمنهم من يمشي على بطنه ومنهم من يمشي على رجلين ومنهم من يمشي على أربع يخلق الله ما يشاء إن الله على كل شيء قدير
Allah has created every [living] creature from water. And of them are those that move on their bellies, and of them are those that walk on two legs, and of them are those that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things (Al-Nur, 45)

Again better scientifically explained with evolution . And verses go on and on that can be better scientifically explained with the theory of evolution.

Quran is truly there for all the times to come. But there is a thorough need of understanding, which unfortunately we muslims are not pursuing. Most of us are stuck with medieval era analysis for our own political reasons and are not progressing. Many muslims do not even understand evolution, just read one line "Our ancestors were apes , nah" and begin to stigmatize it under the pretext of infidelity whereas evolution is not about converting from ape to human at all, that would be ignorance from which Allah (SWT) has forbidden us to fall into. Through evolution you can scientifically explain not just transformation of apes into humans but humans into apes as well (this is mentioned in the Quran). For me, theory of evolution strengthens belief in Allah (SWT)'s wisdom and ingenuity in His creation only if you understand it properly.
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actually i want to ask about evolution . the point which usually people raise about evolution is that, the men were initially monkeys.. if there is a evolution in monkeys and all monkey were converted in to men then why other monkeys are still surviving???
This this is exactly what i said; first of all Allah know the best, According to evolutionist they marked upon theories that evolution is a on going process . The Big Bang is also an evolutionary process, and so the Uni cellular to Multi-cellular. Allah (s.w.t) has created a divine law into which all functions are dependent like creation of moons and stars and the composition of galaxy and so is the Birth of a Human that is evolution. We see that from a single sperm how a 6 foot man is developed isn't that evolution because . we don't disagree that evolution doesn't exists.
Human is not a evolutionary change from monkey to human that part is simply not acceptable!!!! as it goes against the laws of divinity. again the question arises if Human are evolved from Monkeys then Why are Monkey still here?.
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again the question arises if Human are evolved from Monkeys then Why are Monkey still here?.
Dear its not that all monkeys want to do is convert into humans , it seems you are not understanding evolution properly. Evolutionary changes come in individuals, not uniformly in all the populace of a specie. Individuals then reproduce and multiply the evolutionary changes that they have adapted. It is here where divine guidance of evolution and survival of the fittest theories clash. Believers believe that evolutionary changes come as part of a divine plan and God guides that process; whereas atheist claim that organisms with newer traits clash with old ones and those with better traits or fit ones prevail (survival of the fittest).
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Dear its not that all monkeys want to do is convert into humans , it seems you are not understanding evolution properly. Evolutionary changes come in individuals, not uniformly in all the populace of a specie. Individuals then reproduce and multiply the evolutionary changes that they have adapted. It is here where divine guidance of evolution and survival of the fittest theories clash. Believers believe that evolutionary changes come as part of a divine plan and God guides that process; whereas atheist claim that new organisms clash with old ones and those with better traits or fit ones prevail (survival of the fittest).
i was quoting the Monkey statement sarcastically!
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The theory of evolution says that a "uni-cellular organism is evolved into a multi-cellular organism" and hence we have the today's Homo erectus as base for modern Human being. But the truth in the Quran, it is clearly Mentioned Via ref to Tafseer by Ibn Khatir that its was not Monkey that evolved into a human but a Man was transformed into a Monkey. As far the theory goes [There is more that meets the eye] : Darwin suggested the theory that in order for the development of a newer and more intelligent species the existing species needs to be Destroyed hence the adaptation of Nazi Agenda and the New World Order! came into existence. Their hasn't been a single prove that the humans where evolved from the monkeys, but there is a reference from Quran that Man and all the animals where created from One single type of water in [Surah Noor].

My question to Evolutionist or atheist is that if human where evolved from monkeys then why they monkeys are still monkeys?
Darwin never suggested that human beings evolved from monkeys, nor did he ever suggest that the existing species needed to be destroyed completely. my dear, before you start criticizing something, you should atleast read what it is that you want to criticize.
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And in Quran Allah said that Insan is "ASHRAF UL MAKHLOOQAT"
Insan is not "Ashraf-ul-Makhlooqat" because he is created superior than the nature he lives in, insan is Ashraful Makhlooqat because he was taught language by Allah (SWT). This is the only feature that distinguishes "Insan" from other living creatures. With language Insan can receive Allah (SWT)'s message, follow it and spread it amongst his fellow human beings so that they all live life with justice in peace and harmony praising Allah (SWT) and not get involved in Darwinian struggle; only then Insan becomes Ashraf-ul-Makhlooqat. But when Insan makes Darwinian struggle sole purpose of life then he is no longer an Ashraf-ul-Makhlooqat, he is just an animal like others . This can be verified from Quran:

وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِي الْأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً ۖ قَالُوا أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَن يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَاءَ وَنَحْنُ نُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِكَ وَنُقَدِّسُ لَكَ ۖ قَالَ إِنِّي أَعْلَمُ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

وَعَلَّمَ آدَمَ الْأَسْمَاءَ كُلَّهَا ثُمَّ عَرَضَهُمْ عَلَى الْمَلَائِكَةِ فَقَالَ أَنبِئُونِي بِأَسْمَاءِ هَٰؤُلَاءِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful."

قَالُوا سُبْحَانَكَ لَا عِلْمَ لَنَا إِلَّا مَا عَلَّمْتَنَا ۖ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ
They said, "Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise."

قَالَ يَا آدَمُ أَنبِئْهُم بِأَسْمَائِهِمْ ۖ فَلَمَّا أَنبَأَهُم بِأَسْمَائِهِمْ قَالَ أَلَمْ أَقُل لَّكُمْ إِنِّي أَعْلَمُ غَيْبَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَأَعْلَمُ مَا تُبْدُونَ وَمَا كُنتُمْ تَكْتُمُونَ
He said, "O Adam, inform them of their names." And when he had informed them of their names, He said, "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed." (Al-Baqarah, 30-33).


I watched some renowned atheist biologists discussion on youtube, they raised a point that religious people actually submit to a supreme power and give up their Darwinian function, and I really started getting goose bumps; this is exactly what Quran says, if you let go Allah's path, divide and compete among each other then Allah (SWT) will replace you with others .
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It is evolution theory that life was started from BACTERIA. Question is, where did bacteria come from?
Why did the evolution stop on present human form?

They say, It is the survival of the fittest. It is said MAN used to be an APE. Now, the ape was way better than humans physically, he was taller, stronger, had hair on body to survive in harsh weathers, had long arms and tighter grip, then why should he transform himself in to a less fit structure in this cruel race of survival?


man always wanted to fly, but has got no wings to fly, wants to be in the sea but got no gills to remain in the sea for long. Why are we not evolving more since 10,000 years? Because there is no evolution.

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Zohaib,
Bacteria came from the mix of different chemicals available at that time and the environment was just suitable for it.
The Earth is located in a zone known as the "Goldilocks Zone". this is the distance from sun in which life is feasible. there are other planets that coudl be in such Goldilocks zones from their respective stars. they could also have life.
the reason i told you about is that the Earth is located in a zone which is good for life.
there have been several experiments to understand how life formed, or how the basic constituents ( i.e Amino Acids) formed. some day humas might be able to replicate the genesis of simple life in laboratory.

Evolution has not stopped at human beings present form. but the thing is that evolution in complex organisms is too slow as compared with simple organisms. evolution does not take decdes or centuries: it take aeons or millions of years. that is the reason that you do not know about the process going on. our lives are too short to see it.
Evolution never said men were apes. such statements are based on complete ignorance of the theory of evolution. next time you want to criticize something, try to read it first. and it better not be from the website or book of an opponent.
"survival of the fittest" is not something that is understood properly. survival of the fittest does not mean that the species necesarily has to have strong muscles to survive. it just means that the species can adopt to the environment. and is able to pass on its genes to its next generation. that is what survival means in darwinism. if the species is able to live for hundred years but is not able to pass on its genes ( i.e it does not reproduce) then it will not be considered to have survived.
One more thing. evolution does not cater to your personal choices or wants.
try to educate yourself before you criticize.
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