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Maybe the original theory of evolution as proposed by Darwin was not in conformity with religion, recent discoveries and progresses have made it much more plausible. Foe example there are even genomic traces of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam (i.e. common parenthood of all modern homo sapiens sapiens , there is still dispute whether Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam lived in same time and produced children but their existence is confirmed), as foretold by all Abrahamic religions for thousands of years .
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You're taking the Adam and Eve part too literally. Abrahamic religions believe in the notion that in the beginning there was only 1 guy and 1 gal, Adam and Eve. Not true. There were other people. It's just there was this 1 guy and 1 girl whose genes have unbroken chain. It's not even like they mated, and their progeny was mankind; there is a difference of timeline between the Y chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve.. More than 50,000 years of difference between the guy and the gal. So: 1) They didn't mate. 2) The Y Chromosmal Adam was long dead and forgotten by the time Mitochondrial Eve was born. (Who would remember 50,000 years old people :P) 3) There were other people there as well.
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zuhaib ahmed (Saturday, August 04, 2012) |
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Maybe, but these points seem hypothesis and religious belief takes priority over hypothesis . The point is simple, Adam and Eve confirmed . How did Allah (SWT) create Eve from Adam's rib, whether in a few seconds or it took a period of 50000 years is a matter He (SWT) himself knows better
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evolution is just a myth.....
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Is DNA of MAN and APE/Chimpanzee is 98% Same?
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There are many similarities in Man and Chimpanzee (or other apes') DNA (maybe lesser than 98%, 98% is a wrongly propounded figure), but the fact is ancestors of modern humans (homo sapiens sapiens) diverged from other existing hominids (like chimps and guerillas) some 500,000 years ago and formed different hominid groups like homo-erectus etc. Modern humans evolved from that group supposedly 100,000-200,000 years ago. All the other primates of that hominid group (like homo erectus, homo neanderthals etc) are extinct today except homo sapiens sapiens (us ). Therefore there is no possibility of any ape converting into human . None of the monkeys we see today share any ancestry with us .
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zuhaib ahmed (Saturday, August 04, 2012) |
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MuhammadKashif - you gave a great deal of Information about the evolutionary theory. The endeavour you put in Proving the evolutionary Theory true and the refrences you tried to quote from the Quran , well , an appreciable try from ur side in filling the gaps between religious claims and Scientific PREDICTIONs !!
In order to prove something scientifically , in other words , for any scientific law , before you agree or put that forward , you must be sure that this law must be 100% true. And if its NoT , then the law isnt a scientific law but Merely a Theory ( I would call it a subjective opinion) and the evolutionary theory is still a theory !! Now coming to the Main topic : Evolutionary theory suggests that all creature around, that we see , sprang up from a sing Cell , ryt ? The spark that struck the water, formed a Living Cell and with time that cell evolutionized into single specie followed by the vast variety of species that we see today. There must have been a great deal of Matter present in order to serve all these processes ? From where does that matter came ? Any scientific theory regarding that ? No ? Lets move forward. Scientists had already found the signs of Rivers in Mars that once flowed in abundant there and Yet no sign of life ? Though the atmosphere there was quite suitable to support evolution. Just a need of spark that cud bring up evolution :p Doesnt science prove to be wrong here ? Now you would say , science dont pay heed to the presence of God, and God is all knowing and he (S.W.T) actually initiated everything. But tell me , when God could initiate life from a single cell then why cudnt he start off life directly from Adam and Eve ? Next thing , science says Eve Lived some 50,000 years ( or something like that) before Adam - another wrong prediction , how wud you fit this with Ur holy scripture ? Which says they both lived together ? Genetic drift ? Will see, lol okay , leave aside everything else. Why cudnt scientists developed a single cell in their laboratories ? Next thing- they say the existing specie transforms into a totally new specie with the need of time. Hmmm, doesnt that imply that a change occurs in DNA which causes a transformation of one specie into another ? If that is true then what about the characteristic of DNA which checks error and stops any attempt of change by DNA ? Doesnt that mean that DNA cant change its form , and if it cant change its form then evolution of NEw specie is out of Question. The theory of Evolution suggests that change of form and transformation occured so that the specie could adapt in new environment and it was a need for the specie to survive. Means changes occured in accordance with the environment and cicumstancial needs , isnt it ? The people living in hot regions like Africa should have White or Silvery reflective skin to keep themselves cool while those of Cold regions should have hairy and black but the case is on the contrary ? Why cudnt they evolve themselves into such type cus indeed that was the basic need of them to survive .. U said evolutionary processes have been proved by scientists and this process can be seen in different plants and bacterias. But the thing is that we can produce new variations of species by selectively breeding but we cant give rise to a totally new specie. There is a limit of Every DNa and Natural selection can never transgress that limit. The birds that we see , how long do u think it would have taken for their wings to function properly ? For how long they wud have walked with a burden of useless wings ? And when some of them got tired of those then they grew fingers on the very tips of their wings and start creeping like crocodiles ? That is funny !! You said how would we give scientific evidence that earth once was or still is a dwelling place of Jinns? Well, my Qiestion is : how would science prove the non-existence of Jinns before adam and Eve ? Cus neither me Nor you can deny their existence, isnt it ? For Example - i creat a big hall or Ground , u can say. I tell u k mei is hall ya Ground mei ek khaas representave banana chahta hun apna .. Now does that mean that the ground must have some living creature of whom I would make my representative ? It can be yes and it can be No. The fact is that Scientists constantly are changing their opinions. In the start a Man evolved from Monkey. Then they said no it might have been gorilla or chimpanzee ( because they looked somehow like humans) . And now they say that the specie from whom man evolved is completely extinct. Oh C'mon !! Who are the parents of Elephants , tigers and so many other animals ? Where did they come from ? My brother , the theory of evolution is merely a theory without facts. Things without facts are nothing but a crap. Dont rush into fitting Quran with these theories. And dont make haste in beleiving these crap. We are too naive to beleive in every single word that a non-beliver utters. And the thing doesnt stop here we hurriedly rush on to conform our sacred verses with newly held claims ( which even arent yet proved to be right) lastly you mentioned a verse from Quran which says that 'of them are those that walk on bellies , and those that walk on four and some that walk on two'. Whats ur interpretation about this verse ?? All of them exists at the same time. Species without legs, with four and two. All have independent existence. Where's is the hint of evolution of them from one another ?? |
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Great Discussion! i guess the statement that may conclude your Discussion is [whether chicken came first or an egg. ]
I simply Support You in this cause against the Evolutionist. I don't Understand why every one is trying to interpret the Holy Quran in there own way rather than going to the original tafseer. This is the very reason which is making Islam the weakest in faith in every one's heart. This is not an example of Intelligence it is simply Jahillia by trying to prove own theories against the great scholars of our deen. By searching on the internet we all thinking that we have discovered a new galaxy or worse we've become alam e Deen. This is the very reason that Our faith are not as it use to be. How can we forget that Allah (S.W.T) is a creator and (Mahir Khalak) and when he says be it is, It become what was intended. Allah(s.w.t) repeatedly mentions about the non-believers who doesn't believe on the day Resurrection and so Allah gives example to them several places that if he can create you before then why u don't have the concept that he can do it Again. Allah says be and it is. So by saying that some scientist have discovered that y Chromosome existed 50,000 years before Adam is simply denying to the fact about Allah that Nauzbillah his was wrong in his theories and i guess by saying and agreeing to this you are saying that Quran is Wrong. I am really sorry to say, i may be of weak faith but my faith is not that weak to believe in foolish stories of evolutionist. I don't Understand why do the evolutionist support the theory that we all came from one living thing, When the Prove is loud and clear.I know there is some truth in it, may be 5% of it that we all came from one kind of animal. The Animal was not a Monkeys, But infact we are direct descendant of Adam (A.S) and Eve. but theory that say "from monkeys" it's a Hoax and you are seeing the world from left EYE!!!!!. Last edited by Amna; Sunday, August 05, 2012 at 03:53 PM. Reason: Chain Posts/Merged |
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U said evolutionary processes have been proved by scientists and this process can be seen in different plants and bacterias. But the thing is that we can produce new variations of species by selectively breeding but we cant give rise to a totally new specie. There is a limit of Every DNa and Natural selection can never transgress that limit. Quote:
your beliefs, my beliefs and everyone's beliefs are what they are. but when you want to have a scientific discussion, then please make yourself familiar with that thing before criticizing it. and please keep religion out of science and science out of religion.
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