Will you please quote the reference....?

Yar aap ne kabhi usse daikha nahi.... I have heard he was patient of kidny and used to had dialysis every week, so you must have seen him in some hospital...

They did not provided a single proof so no one can belief the athenticity of the news.

Excellent...

Or American intelligence is as sharp as to locate Osama even deep in Pakistan...

Nothing that funny... this time they killed him at a right moment.

hahaha

Will you please share the source or reference...?

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Yet Another Question : If the american army (or what they call navy commandos) can conduct such an operation in pakistan without it's knowledge, why can't they destroy pakistan's nuclear capabilities?

May be some morning we get up with the news that America has taken custody of Our nuclear weapons and has made them useless by throwing them in anonymous sea...

Government is equally involved...

Osama bin laden ki mot se aik baat saabit hui.. Tora bora se bach ke nikla jaa sakta hai, pakistan se nahin .

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wao... what an optimistic approach..

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At a certain point in our lives...our lives become controlled by fate. That's the world's greatest lie.

two possible situations are coming to my mind

1.army was not in knowledge of operation...

if osama was in abbotabad just four kilometers away from military academy and in heavly secured abbotabad controled by an active army then this means
that army was providing refuge to usama bin laden.this will go heavily against our interests.

2. army was in knowledge of this operation

this is not possible for americans to come this far in PAKISTANz soil without being noticed..furthermore if we suppose that they can come this far even then america cannot take such a risk of putting its soldier in the line of fire because without prior knowledge to our military their could have been an action against them which means the death of all american soldiers taking part in the mission.army is just denying the knowledge and of the action and active involvement in the mission to avoid the aftermath of this event i.e response from taliban and alqaida.


dont know which to believe from the above two situations.

a weired thing here is the statement of americans that the helicopter got destroyed infact deliberatily destroyed because of technical difficulty and the whole crew remained safe..this seems to be a lie

another contradictory statement from media is that their were no significamt weponsin the house(osamaz house) and another statement is that a rocket was fired from the house which destroyed the helicopter

whatever it is my gut feeling is that it cannot be taken as good omen.

by the way according to media ttp pakistan is denying osamaz death but yemenz alqaida leader is confirming it

another thing quite interesting is the absence of PAKISTAN from the speech of obama.their are hardly 1 and a half or two line regarding us..that disappointed me and it is surely something to think about(our absence from the speech)

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Everyone here and there is only speculating whether Osama was killed now or 8 years before, but no one really knows.. What is confirmed is that they had information of Osama's whereabouts for some time, 1 years or so, as per their own statements. Whether Osama was killed 8 years ago or yesterday, the questions remains "why now and why that way". What I feel about it is the Americans wanted to keep a military presence in Central Asia for a long time, like in Central Europe, but their plans were frequently hampered by dubious role of Pakistani intelligence agencies and public opinion (as they deem it). Due to that, they had to announce plans for a withdrawal from Afghanistan much sooner than they intended. Before withdrawing from Afghanistan, incensed Americans desired to leave a mar on Pakistan which can be used as a pretext to hard press Pakistanis in future. Therefore I feel that situation for Pakistan will again be like Soviet era. A "third war with Pakistan" is highly unlikely, because Americans as a nation are dealing with some challanges of their own economy which take priority over other matters. How we as a nation are going to deal with future hardships is up to us .

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Benazir Bhutto - On the death of Osama Bin Laden

According to the USA ,Obama Bin Laden is dead. Now they must leave Afghanistan & Pakistan at once.

May Allah protect my country from American sinister plans. Ameen!

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Qais Azimy, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Kabul, said Afghan officials described bin Laden's killing as a "symbolic victory", since he was no longer directly connected to the group's field operations.

"This organisation (Al Qaeda) is more than Bin Laden, it may be symbolised by Bin Laden, but it definitely is more than Bin Laden"

Mark Kimmit, US military analyst

Mark Kimmit, a US military analyst, said, ''bin Laden's death was not the end of terrorism, but an end of a chapter."

"Capturing or killing bin Laden has more iconic value. It will have symbolic value, because it has been a number of years since bin Laden has exercised day to day control over operations. We still have an al-Qaeda threat out there and that will be there for a number of years.

"This organisation (al-Qaeda) is more than bin Laden, it may be symbolised by bin Laden, but it definitely is more than bin Laden," he said.

It is, however, a major accomplishment for Obama and his national security team.

He had been the subject of a search since he eluded US soldiers and Afghan militia forces in a large-scale assault on the Tora Bora mountains in 2001. The trail quickly went cold after he disappeared and many intelligence officials believed he had been hiding in Pakistan.

Besides September 11, Washington has also linked bin Laden to a string of attacks - including the 1998 bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the 2000 bombing of the warship USS Cole in Yemen.

That was the latest information coming through the media reportings.. See the time mentioned at the post.

@ Mukt... ""With some planning and time I am sure Americans can do it easily as our agencies are sleeping and politicians are busy making $$. Lanat on ISI and army and police and IB etc."" Never be hasty to jump at conclusions! Should be patient to think your mind, instead of scorning any body. ...

Consipracy theory 1 : Osama bin Laden was in custody of USA, they made the drama so as to exert pressure on Pakistan and defame it, they brought it in helicopters, left here, killed and took the dead body back. or it was already dead kept in some cold house... Logically speaking, the number one target is burnt and thrown in sea? which sea? how they reached there? From Afghanistan they can reach to sea only crossing through Pakistan !!!

Consipracy theory 2: Pakistan (Army) was providing him safe place near its important military city of Abotabad. The CIA got hint, they launch operation and both Army and its ISI remained sleeping and couldnt snoop into the activities of CIA and Special Ops team, and suddenly found some activity and try to thwart it and shoot out and they are able to down one chopper... Later they have to bow down in front of USA forces ? If it is so, tommorow they will come and take all nuclear capabilities. !

Conspiracy theory 3: Osama and other high level targets are tooo smart to get some safe heavens in Pakistan and living here happily. He is able to get his treatment of kidney as well !!! They were not detected by Pakistani forces. US forces got hint of it and since they were skeptic of the role of Army/ISI in on-going war so they didnt bother to inform Pakistani military before launching of operation and kept it so much secret and after execution told to Pakistan !!!

There are no proofs that Osama was dead eight years back. He is now pronounced dead...

And killing of Osama is not end of game, it will increase their pace and activities, Al Qaeeda seems to be more thn an organization, its somewhat an ideology now. Everything related to terrorism is in fact being, to one context or the other, linked with Al Qaeeda.

In coming one or two months if some big thing happens in USA/West or their installments or even in Pakistan, it means Al Qaeeda as an organization, is alive and very much mobilized, but if such things dont happen, it wll mean that there is a dormant/dead Al Qaeeda, but its ramnants are operational in form of different outfits..

Coming times are very bad for Pakistan. Are we going for some civil war when certain factions of politicians are demanding more provinces to create their fiefdomes? The COAS, other day, lauded the performance of Army and said that its Army which always help the people of Pakistan in floods, census, earthquake, terrorism etc etc.. But why so? It is not the goodness of Army to do all, but it is rather the badness at the part of military oligarchy to not allow any other insitution to grow and prosper. Army is not good because it is good, it is good because its bad in grabing resources, nations more thn 70% budget is being consumed by it while leaving meager amounts for whole countries development and all civil machinery to survive in leass thn 30 % of budget.. If even thn Army dont do good, thn .... our politicians are bad and are mostly incapable, but it doesnt mean that democratic system is to be scorned.. They [Politicians of all parties, Army, ISI, IB, top bureacracy etc] should all sit together to think for the future, get all their foreign money back to the country, at least to be deposited in local banks and burry all differences of provincialism and partism etc and think for the country. But alas, this is much more thn impossible....

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Just an excuse to defame Pakistan and to establish their bases in Pakistan. It's a pity that our politicians have not responded yet.

AND I agree to the fact that the Pakistani Military is not so dumb to allow a foreign force to enter without their knowledge and threaten their sovereignty. Therefore, for the time being, there is no need to worry.

You have depicted whole picture of the Pakistani politics.Its very good analysis. But it is not 70% budget which is consumed by the defense but its more than 70% because the army claims its share further share in the civilian budget of 30%. For example during military operations in tribal areas, the civilian govt had to transfer its budget to the army in order to meet financing of the operations.

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