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religion ko politics main lane ka faida yeh hai ke amdaad muslim countries se mil jati hai.
religion ke begair wali parties ko america se mil jati hai.

Bas amdaad khane ka hi faqaq hai religion aur politics ka.

yes we should seprate.
Jab krni hi corruption hai to religion ko kuon banda badnaam kre siasat main.
why russia aid iran???
why china and india aid afghanistan????
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I am starting this thread to have your views on the role of religion in Pakistani politics. Has it been productive? Has it transformed the society into a unity? Whether it has been positive or negative? Is there a role of religion in Pak politics?

and most importantly, what is the way forward? Should we separate state and religion or both be unified?
Does real Islam exist in our country? I mean to say ,has it not been divided into sects ,if yes,then how it could be unified?
Each and every sect has its own ideology and set of ideas in this country moreover there is no Shariah law practiced here therefore we can't say that our religion plays pivotal role in prevailing political system.
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i was discussing this topic with a friend a few days back.. as far as Pakistan is concerned religion is not at all involved in politics, construction of society etc. our socail norms and ethics wildly differ with the teachings of Islam. similarly politics have nothing to do with religion.... religion can definitely from an ideal society and Islam is the real code of life.. Quran guides us in every walk of life but Alas..... we have forgot the teaching of our religion and have handed it to a particular group...
gnwa d hum ny jo islaaf sy meeraas pai thi
suraya sy zameen par asmaan ny humko dy mara

And state and religion can never be separated but in consideration of the prevailing situations its better not to advocate anything in religious perspective. need of the time is to get back to religion
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Did u guyz read Javed Ch. column today? He has answered the question.
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Default who say you it is good thing .........?politics without relegion........?

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religion ko politics main lane ka faida yeh hai ke amdaad muslim countries se mil jati hai.
religion ke begair wali parties ko america se mil jati hai.

Bas amdaad khane ka hi faqaq hai religion aur politics ka.

yes we should seprate.
Jab krni hi corruption hai to religion ko kuon banda badnaam kre siasat main.
i think you have to consult some books on politics and wise article ,it is our problem we follow only western trend,what they have got without religion...?have they any moral values?they only gain technology and some development in matter to attack the under develop states specially Muslim states,,,,,,,,,juda ho deen seasut say tu reh jati hay chungazi,,,,,what do you mean by religion ko q badnam karen?
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Does real Islam exist in our country? I mean to say ,has it not been divided into sects ,if yes,then how it could be unified?
Each and every sect has its own ideology and set of ideas in this country moreover there is no Shariah law practiced here therefore we can't say that our religion plays pivotal role in prevailing political system.
it is possible when we in fair play to our country and way of life,...you had said that here are 2 sect.no body can denied it but it is false that they have different ideology . I assure you they have same ideology but have differ in only method.
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i think you have to consult some books on politics and wise article ,it is our problem we follow only western trend,what they have got without religion...?have they any moral values?they only gain technology and some development in matter to attack the under develop states specially Muslim states,,,,,,,,,juda ho deen seasut say tu reh jati hay chungazi,,,,,what do you mean by religion ko q badnam karen?
The line that I have highlighted..here I would disagree with u..They certainly have got moral values..Such lofty moral values that Islam has taught us..we have forgotten nearly all the moral values but west has upheld many of them..OK they have a few shortcomings and moral glitches,but then we are more morally corrupted than them I think..I wouldn't at all say that they are morally hollow..
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Firstly I thank Sadia for her excellent and informatic posts. Her style of writing especially with islamic references inspired me a lot. But still I preserve my right to disagree and propogate my point of view as well.

1) You wanted to say "Hazrat Abdur Rehman bin Au`uf (R.H) went each corner of streets and houses" to beg VOTES of people?
I disagree That our caliphs went door to door to beg votes. In caliphate time, some emminent sahabas select caliphh among themselves and all people trusted and caliph was answerable to all public.

Keeping this scnerio in view, I thing election commission can do this duty to nominate best people after being selected by political parties. Every nominee should be crystal clear. us per corruption ya ghadari ka dag na laga ho. Then right to vote should be limited to just graduates or minimum matric pass people of country. In the time course all people should be educated.
Har bandai ko vote ka right dena, aik unparh ka vote aik scholar ke barabar kr dena sara sar nainsaafi hai. Aur islam main kaheen bi aisi politics nahin ke har banda vote kree.

2ndly islamic parties islam ko ghar choor kr aya kreen election larne se pehlai. Islam aik muqasas cheez hai. Meri political parties se request hai ke islam ko apni politics ke liye na baicheen, jaisa ke ham qurbani ke khalo ya jihad ke liye, ya khatam daroodoon ke liye hamare mazhabi political leaders krte hain.

SO i condem sale of islam by our religious parties in politics.
i suggest you book :islami riasat:by sayed moudodi ,it is in urdu but will answer you entirely.then you will be clear.
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Believe that the Supreme Power is GOD. and in constitution of Pakistan it is

clearly mention that the Supreme Authority is GOD. and the rulers rule the

country using powers which GOD bless them. It is also called Qarardad-

e-MaQasid. And in Islam we can't separate the Democracy or Govt with Islam.

Now i come to the topic. Pakistani People are mostly living in villages about

70% of the total. So they have Love with Islam and we city people too. But

Pakistan since born till today no religious Govt could be formed. Many

Religious Parties are working and actively participating in the Politics of

Pakistan but they can't get the majority at national level. In musharaf Govt

they get some little majority and participate in the Govt as allied party.

Mostly their most common idea is that their work is only criticism on Govt.

They don't have the Examples of Social work for People.
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