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The youngman might have tried to touch the kalashn just to beg for his life and not to harm them. Whatsoever it was really a shameful act done by the rangers.
It was not a Russian AK-47 (Kalashankof) assault rifle, it was a German G3 battle rifle, and believe me it is much more powerful than AK-47 . Thats why the young man passed away even with the shot in the leg.

Beherhaal, agar civilian law enforcement kee responsibility para military force ko dee jaaye gee to aise scene to honge. Kuch arsa pehle "chitrol" kee video bhi yaad hogi aap ko. yeh faraq hota hai civil law enforcement force aur paramilitary force main . deal donoon hee criminals se kar rahe the (young man in this video was, after all, doing a crime though with a fake gun), deal karne ke andaz main faraq yeh hota hai .
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We are living in reign of terror, and that incident clearly indicated that state machinery is fail, law enforcement forces have challenged the authorities of state, common man have no right for resistance, no respect for him, no rights of citizenship, its completely disastrous. A shame for us.

At the same time this incident have accelerated insecurity, fear, mistrust in our society which is already prevailing here, its anarchy.

But another thing is which is new in this all is that, these are common practices of Law enforcers, but only thing which is positive and progressive is that, it had have reported, and people witness it by their eyes. It is sign of change.
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Four uniformed armed men were pointing guns at him and you are saying if he could stand still or sat down. Any trained mature human on his place could have not stand still in that situation, he was mere 16 or 17 years youth. how he could?
I am just doing a guess work. Anyways it is a heinous crime by the Rangers personnel.
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کیا یہ معاملہ اتنا ہی ہے، اور اتنے ہی ردِ عمل کا تقاضا کرتا ہے؟
فرض کریں: جہاں یہ واقعہ پیش آیا ہے وہاں ایک ٹی وی چینل کا کیمرہ مین نہ ہوتا، ہوتا اور رینجرز کے ذہن میں یہ بات آ جاتی کہ یہ ویڈیو ان کے لیے کتنی خطرناک ہو سکتی ہے اور وہ اسے بھی ‘مقابلے’ کا حصہ بنا لیتے تو اس سارے معاملے پر بات کس طرح ہو رہی ہوتی؟ کیا اس بات سے انکار ممکن ہوتا کہ جنہیں رینجرز نے سرِ عام گولیوں کا نشانہ بنایا ہے وہ دہشت گرد نہیں تھے؟ یا رینجرز پر حملہ کرنے والے تھے؟

کیا کوئی وزیرِ داخلہ کی طرف سے جاری کیے جانے والے اس بیان کی تردید کر سکتا جو نیچے سے حاصل ہونے والی اطلاعات کی بنیاد پر جاری کیا جاتا اور تردید کرتا بھی تو کون سنتا۔ یہاں تک کہ کیا عدالت عظمیٰ بھی اس کا نوٹس لینے کا تردد کرتی؟

ذرا ایک بار پھر ایک منٹ دو سیکنڈ کی وہ ویڈیو دیکھیں: کیسے سادہ کپڑوں والا ایک آدمی ایک نوجوان کو لا رہا ہے، کس طرح اسے بالوں سے پکڑ کر کیمرے کے سامنے منہ کرنے کے لیے کہتا ہے۔ کیسے اسے رینجرز اہلکاروں کے سامنے دھکیلتا ہے، پھر ان کی درمیان ہونے والی گفتگو کا ایک ایک لفظ سنیے گولی لگنے سے پہلے اور گولی لگنے کے بعد نوجوان کی فریاد سنیے۔ اس دوران ایک ایک فریم میں رینجرز اہل کاروں کی جسمانی حرکات و سکنات یا باڈی لینگویج دیکھیں اور فیصلہ کریں کہ آپ کیا محسوس کرتے ہیں۔

کیا آپ کو نہیں لگتا کہ رینجرز اہلکاروں کی اس ٹولی نے جو جرم کیا ہے وہ ان کے لیے نیا نہیں ہے؟ کیا یہ نہیں لگتا کہ وہ جو کچھ کر رہے ہیں وہ ان کا یا ان کے شعبے کا ایک ایسا معمول ہے جس کے بارے میں انھیں یقین ہے کہ ان سے کوئی بھی کسی طرح کی باز پُرس نہیں کرے گا۔ اور اس میں ان میں سے کوئی یا دو کا یہ رویہ نہیں ہے سب کے سب برابر کے شریک ہیں۔ ان میں سے کوئی بھی یہ کہتا دکھائی نہیں دیتا کہ گولی مت مارو، گرفتار کر لو۔ اور جب گولیاں مار ہی دی جاتی ہیں تو کوئی ایک بھی اس فریاد پر کان دھرنے کے لیے تیار دکھائی نہیں دیتا ‘مجھے ہسپتال تو لے جاؤ، یار’۔
اس واقعے کے بعد بہت سے مشورے دیے جا سکتے ہیں:

رینجرز کو کراچی میں اب تقریباً سترہ سال ہو گئے ہیں، اب انھیں فوری طور پر یہاں سے ہٹا دیا جائے یہ اقدام نہ صرف شہر اور شہریوں کے حق میں بہتر ہو گا بلکہ خود رینجرز کے حق میں بہت ہی اچھا ہو گا۔

رینجرز پر جو رقم خرچ کی جاتی وہ کراچی پولیس پر خرچ کی جائے اور اسے نئے سرے جدید خطوط پر منظم کیا جائے۔ وغیرہ وغیرہ

مجھے بھی پتا ہے اور آپ کو بھی کہ ایسی باتوں کو سننے والا اب پاکستان میں کوئی نہیں اس لیے سوال یہ ہے کہ اس واقعے کے بعد میں قانون کا نفاذ کرنے والے اداروں پر اعتماد کرنے کے لیے خود کو کیا دلیل دوں؟ کیسے سمجھاؤں خود کو یہ صرف ایک اتفاقی واقعہ ہے اس اس کی بنا پر سب پر بے اعتمادی نہیں کی جانی چاہیے؟ اور یہ بھی کہ یہ اس طرح کا آخری واقعہ ہے؟

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We should Condemn this criminal act.
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It was not a Russian AK-47 (Kalashankof) assault rifle, it was a German G3 battle rifle, and believe me it is much more powerful than AK-47 . Thats why the young man passed away even with the shot in the leg.

Beherhaal, agar civilian law enforcement kee responsibility para military force ko dee jaaye gee to aise scene to honge. Kuch arsa pehle "chitrol" kee video bhi yaad hogi aap ko. yeh faraq hota hai civil law enforcement force aur paramilitary force main . deal donoon hee criminals se kar rahe the (young man in this video was, after all, doing a crime though with a fake gun), deal karne ke andaz main faraq yeh hota hai .
Though my father was an army but still i'm unable to make a difference between AK-47 and German G3 coz i'm just a civilian not a part of Arm forces,
Even if the youngman was a Criminal still i condemn such a brutal act happened with him by the stone hearted ranger. They could arrest him easily why didn't they. Was it necessary to show their brutality on an unarmed and compelled person begging for life. Such an act is even not made with a war prisoner.
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at the time of Greatest Caliph Hazrat Umar ibn-khattab(ra) the commander-in-chief of Armed forces of Islam, the Greatest General Hazrat Khaid bin waleed(ra) was arrested on charges of corruption, was publicly brought and tied by His(ra) turban , an enquiry was initiated however the charges were Proved false and the Great General were released.
this shows the Great Umar(ra) and his Justice .


here i Pray for Chief Justice of Pakistan, may Allah give him the strength to serve this country.

O Allah we need justice loving ruler like Umar(ra) the Great.
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Though my father was an army but still i'm unable to make a difference between AK-47 and German G3 coz i'm just a civilian not a part of Arm forces,
, The reason for mentioning that was, police waloon ke pass aksar aisi gun nahin hoti, aur agar hoti bhi hai to aksar us main goliyan nahin hoteen , to agar is nojawan ko kisi police waale ne goli maari hoti to shayad us ke bachne ke chances thore ziada hote

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Even if the youngman was a Criminal still i condemn such a brutal act happened with him by the stone hearted ranger. They could arrest him easily why didn't they. Was it necessary to show their brutality on an unarmed and compelled person begging for life. Such an act is even not made with a war prisoner.
hmmm, well the Rangers personnel's act does seem viscious and barbaric, but professionally speaking, they acted as they are trained to act and that is "if the enemy acts smart, shoot down the enemy ". Rangers are primarily trained as a para-military force and objectives for their organization include securing the international borders of the country and assisting the government in times of national emergency and in situations where show of force is required to control certain situations, but they are certainly not trained to serve as cops in cities. Rangers are trained to "down or subdue" an "enemy", not to "control a criminal". Such incidents as depicted in this video indicate that there is a need to review the policy of deploying a para-military force to serve as cops . The government and the security institutions need to sincerely and diligently asses the situation in Karachi and act accordingly to regain permanent control of the situation and crimes in the city, but they are only using the situation to make lame excuses for short and long term deployment of Rangers around the city.

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Go through " A Tale of two cities" written by Charles Dicken. The novel gave some glimpse of pre- French revolution(1792) period when law of jungle prevailed and arbitrary laws to keep the status quo were presenting the same gloomy picture as we have seen in this video where helpless guy beseeching the rangers jawans was murdered in cold blood. This incident bears ample testimony that our society fabric has disintegrated and law of jungle is ruling the roost. Hazarat Ali once said," a society can may survive on "Kufar" but that society is ought to perish where justice is denied". So lets see and wait for that day when some Nadir Shah(1739) like invasion will render the whole state into chaos, trauma or pit-less oblivion as enemies of this Islamic state has weaved such intrigues which could be devastating as plants of these intrigues are being watered by our own policies. Besides, our society has itself reached at the brink of destruction, as evident from this incident and so many like killing of five innocent persons including 7-month pregnant woman in Quetta, including extra-judicial killing of hundreds of swatis by so called custodian of frontiers(see on utube),including the beheading of so many muslims by terrorist in the name of jihad and what not.....................Save Pakistan please.
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Go through " A Tale of two cities" written by Charles Dicken. The novel gave some glimpse of pre- French revolution(1792) period when law of jungle prevailed and arbitrary laws to keep the status quo were presenting the same gloomy picture as we have seen in this video where helpless guy beseeching the rangers jawans was murdered in cold blood. This incident bears ample testimony that our society fabric has disintegrated and law of jungle is ruling the roost. Hazarat Ali once said," a society can may survive on "Kufar" but that society is ought to perish where justice is denied". So lets see and wait for that day when some Nadir Shah(1739) like invasion will render the whole state into chaos, trauma or pit-less oblivion as enemies of this Islamic state has weaved such intrigues which could be devastating as plants of these intrigues are being watered by our own policies. Besides, our society has itself reached at the brink of destruction, as evident from this incident and so many like killing of five innocent persons including 7-month pregnant woman in Quetta, including extra-judicial killing of hundreds of swatis by so called custodian of frontiers(see on utube),including the beheading of so many muslims by terrorist in the name of jihad and what not.....................Save Pakistan please.
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