hmm it appears i am dealing with someone possesing good knowledge of econmics however i got what i was looking for in the form of answer to question no.3

now this is what i was looking for musharaf eraz economic development was just a bubble and it was disastrous for us in the long term ,the fruits of which we are bearing now.the development was due to

1.the doors of aid that opened to us because of becoming a frontliner in the war against terrorism.

2.the reason mentioned by Shtanzeel.

but there is a third reason and that reason is common in all the dictatorships and that is the trust of investors in the dictatorships because of the continuity of economic policies in dictatorships.to me,being a non technical person the reason of growth in musharafz era was mainly dependent on the investment which was coming from outside.we saw expansion in different sectors of the economy because a huge amount of investment was flowing in.now the same thing could happen in democracies provided they are given a chance to successively complete their tenure and in this way the perception of outer world towards our democratic system would change and the same thing would start happening in democracies which we witness in dictatorships(i.e the inflows of investments).so the point which i wanted to make was that if democracy prevails for successive periods in our country we ill have more better performances in our country than what we get in dictatorships.(technicalities apart)

more than half of PAKz life it remained under dictatorship.no govt till date completed 5 years tenure.(you want to quote pmlqz period?no.i dont think so)


it is not only the media.there are persons even in the military who narrate some stories which are very horrible.

i have an alternative in my mind.its all about a will.the idea of the system which is in my mind may be the most stupid one on the earth but the point is we can work out a different scheme for us if we think that democracy cannot work for us.whatever the case may be dictatorship is not acceptable.

from where will you find KHULFA a RASHEEDEEN in this era.once my friend on this very forum said to me.one who thinks that we can can copy/paste the time of KHULFA a RAHEEDEEN in this era is living in foolz paradise.and after that i stopped living in it.lol

another thing is dictatorship is not accountable to any.the reference which you are giving was never a dictatorship.dont mix that system with dictatorship.islam believes in shura system not dictatorship.

True democracy doesn't suit the current social conditions in Pakistan..but in addition to the fact that the electorate is illiterate and ill informed...there is also the fact that our politicians are not suited to democracy.The feudal set up ensures that the same people are returned to Assemblies via elections again and again and no fresh faces are allowed to proceed. Ever since the creation of Pakistan politics has been a stronghold of feudals who have been content over fighting among themselves for crumbs instead of addressing the needs of the nation.Martial law had to be imposed only becuase of these perpetual intrigues.But even then Ayub's era was the only one which saw some real progress but even then the disgruntled politicians kept acting as obstructionists. What we really need is a change of leadership from among the people themselves and not their feudal lords.After all democracy is goverment of the people, by the people, for the people..and according to this definition...when did that ever happen in Pakistan?...Even in cases when the common man rose to the ranks of leadership he was either not allowed to succeed or was soon caught up in the vicious circle of career politicians.

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yes thats true we cannot copy paste that similar thing in this era but we can at least try for it....and if systems are not implemented in its true spirit than its not the fault of system its the fault of we people...that we are not sincere with our own selves..and once we get chance or get some power we started taking advantage of it...in democratic era everyone who get little authority (s)he started taking advantage of it...and whole system ruined...on the contrary..in so called dictatorship system this thing reduces whole a lot..I am not saying that this whole system is good but by comparing both the systems so called dictatorship is far better than democratic system..

both the systems are to some extent same but the thing is our mind is set up to think this way that dictatorship will ruined our lives...but in real this is not the case...if you indulge lot of people in authority everyone tries to do it in his own way and thing started getting worst..one man show with some participation will let things getting better.
while we are studying Management we taught to do things in group in which only one man lead the show, making cross functional TEAMS etc, but when it comes for the country as whole this thing termed as Dictatorship...Why..?
Dont you see some contradiction in this...?

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Democracy is very dangerous when it comes in the hands of illiterate people. In Pakistan majority is less educated, how will you expect a fruitful democracy here?

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The democratic system of government in itself is not at fault, but the actors that are casted in this drama to stage a show are not only corrupt, incompetent and deficient of intellectual calibres, but also a large number of them is treacherous and insincere to the land of the pure and its people. If Democracy has failed in Pakistan, since its inception, it all owes to the mishandlings on the part of these power hungry politicians. I iterate 'politicians', not 'statesmen'.

On the other hand, the dictators are evenly responsible for the current gruesome situation of the country. Nevertheless, there exists a hope with democracy that with the lapse of time, and augmenting literacy rate of the state, a light at the end of the tunnel could be visualized. However, we will have to display patience for a very very long interval of time, because, with the current setup, nothing different is going to happen in the near future. May Allah bless Pakistan.

first of all i think i should make one thing clear that i am not a big fan of democracy but i prefer it over dictatorship(infact i would prefer anything over dictatorship)

now talking about islam lets us have this thing clear in our minds that what sort of system islam lay its emphasis on.islam lays its emphasis on specialism rather than generalism.we can take democracy as an example of generalism where anyone could get elected at general and can hold any office(whether he is capable enough of handling that office or not.e.g wazeer a aala sindh qaim ali shah holding indefinite no. of offices.lol) while on the flip side when we are dealing with specialism specific persons will be appointed in the offices in the specific fields which is in line with their expertees.


yes exactly thats what my point is which you elaborated in your statement that"if systems are not implemented in its true spirit then its not the fault of system but our fault".see this is the thing which teases me that democracy is successfully working in the world and in here it fails.what is happening in dictatorships?please visit the arab world through books,newspapers,internets if not physically.

why we feel democratic system to be more corrupt etc than dictatorship is just because of more freedom of expression in democracies than in dictatorship.both democrats and dictators are the two faces of the same coin.

most of the problems which we are facing today were rooted in dictatorship especially the seed of sectarianism.

about the management theories yes i know what you are trying to say.that is a technical thing and we have to dedicate a lot of energies to that if we start debating on that.even in mangement theories it is taught that different leadership styles favour different environments.at some places dictatorship would be more favourable while at another participative leadership would have better results.

on a lighter note ma bhi democracy sa bohat tang aya huwa hon.kisi na pocha to nahee but phir bhi bata deta hon that i believe in experimenting with these two sytems.

1.semi technocratic democracy

2.amended democracy or democracy with some limitations and constraints.

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Islam is the best system of government but it is not like dictatorship/democracy.it has overlapping characters to both of system.Caliphate system is based on family system and it resembles like local bodies system in democracy.tribe in Arabia consisted of families and there was a leader in each tribe.that is selected by their own people on the basis of merit .these tribal leader had right to choose the one great leader who is qualified to rule over all tribes.this system of government is called family institution government.so this character resembles with democracy and what is close to communism;all the family leaders in a particular tribe have strict eye over their young ones.this prohibits them to be indulged in false and evil ways.

In recent days we have loopholes in family institution.that is due to 1.lower population rate
2.contraception
3.late marriages that reduced fertility
4.abortion
5.feotocide
this things have reduced the relations of chacha/mamu/pophue/khala and so on.these relations serve as a social pressure over new ones.so democracy means destruction of family institution and increased the trends toward single parent family and divorce rates.to me ,islam caliphate is not a dictator ship coz it had allowed freedom with in limits.even caliph was accountable in courts.
all this i cited ,coz i found some wrong interpretation of Islamic caliphates system/me khud be galat ho sakty hoo .but it is my humble opinion

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To all those, who are of the point of view that democracy can not work in Pakistan because of illiteracy!
India is the world\'s largest democracy and fairly successful one. But its literacy rate is little more than that of Pakistan. And i guess there must a good number of countries which have high rate of literacy but do not have successful democracy; but i can not find one,,, can any one please let me know if there is any???
Successful democracy in India also rules out any other possibility of involvement of social, historical or Athenian reason of failure of democracy.

You are in favor of democracy or against it?
As economic pre-requisite is not present, so not to have democracy is good for country till the time it attains certain economic level. And what should be implemented for that time period to attain certain level? dictatorship???
I am confused,,, what you actually want to say?

what does you mean by personalization in politics?

when??? None of the so called leader was bureaucrate...

here capital stands for what??


I doubt if there was any such army?? Actually, I could not locate it on net?

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FSF.----federal security force.it seemed it will serve as civil task force .this was created in order to wipe out all worries which bhutto had from army.the first FSF commander was "Mr.masaud ma`audoodi" it has its own intelligence cell and secret fund.and it only motive is to terrorize opposition party.i think it is enough

you will not find it on net as it has only mentioned in particular book


it is termed as the govt of one ruling party /or ruling of one party agenda and its continual even without election in the era of Bhutto.and you have seen a few ruling parties and leadership do not come from middle class.
1.ghulam mohammad
2.sikandar mirza.
i refer to these and there are many more names but these two names played crucial role in pak history.
this is the formula for the eligibility of MNAs and MPAs and PM and others.Higher the money you have ,higher will be one ministry.

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I am against the form of democracy prevalent in Pakistan. What is actual democracy and what we are practicing, I don't want to discuss because its a long long debate and will lead us off the track.

Not dictatorship, but a government of technocrats and intellectuals in the supervision of free and fair judiciary. What could be contours of that technocrats and intellectual government, again another debate.

Regards,

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