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Default Governors are no more chancellors of universities.......!!!!

In cabinet meeting it is decided that governors will not be chancellors of universities from now onward..
in meeting it is decided that a "Technocrat" or "Educationist" will be given this seat and a "Search Committee" is made by cabinet to take this action.

In fact it is the most easiest way to give this Designation to "MUN PASAND" people
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Yup It's decided to replace the governor with educationists, retired bureaucrats and senior courts judges as chancellor of
universities.

hope for the best,they are trying to find the so called worthy person to do this job,lets c!!
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Yup It's decided to replace the governor with educationists, retired bureaucrats and senior courts judges as chancellor of
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hope for the best,they are trying to find the so called worthy person to do this job,lets c!!
Samina is it really so that they are trying to find WORTHY person..???? they are just trying to fit those persons to whom they want to....
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Samina is it really so that they are trying to find WORTHY person..???? they are just trying to fit those persons to whom they want to....
That's going on everywhere,who knows governers were the worthy persons???

I feel no difference,do you?
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That's going on everywhere,who knows governers were the worthy persons???

I feel no difference,do you?
i ddn se k governors were worthy persons but chancellor's designation is " "AEZAAZI" designation..jo k provincial head ko jata tha... cz educationist s to VC'S bhi hote hain un se zada educated bnda kon ho skta hai uni ko run kerne k liye..

han thers no differnce n in my opinion there will be no difference olso in future....but hope for the best......
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i ddn se k governors were worthy persons but chancellor's designation is " "AEZAAZI" designation..jo k provincial head ko jata tha... cz educationist s to VC'S bhi hote hain un se zada educated bnda kon ho skta hai uni ko run kerne k liye..

han thers no differnce n in my opinion there will be no difference olso in future....but hope for the best......
U got me finally,there is no use of crying over split milk han
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Apparently, this decision of government is to favour cronies of their respective parties.

As per prevalent Charters of public sector universities, the Governor of respective province or the President of Pakistan, in case of Federal Universities, is ex-officio Chancellor of the university. He is normally required to head the meetings of Board of Governors/Senate and have considerable powers for finalizing appointments of various statutory posts, policies, procedures, rules, statutes etc. Though, the charters/laws of the university have built-in clauses for nomination of some senior person/member of Board of Governor to act on behalf of Chancellor in case he is unable to attent the meeting of Board due to his busy schedule.

Conversely, in most of the private sector universities, the Governor is usually made a Patron, which is moreorless, a ceremonial post. Similarly in most of Federal Government universities, the President of Pakistan is having the ceremonial position of Patron. However, the government functionaries try to keep most of the powers under Chancellor, because he is a representative of government and his good offices could be used for shaping the policies of even private sector universities.

An important facet of the office of Chancellor was the fact that it usually remained an honarary post and the Governor does not take anything from government/university for attending/charing/finalizing the policies/rules for the universities.

Yes, the Vice Chancellor/Rector is usually a technocrat/educationist and is administrative and academic head of the university. He is normaly looking after all the affairs of university and report to Board of Governors/Senate etc. Usualy a V.C. is appointed through a lenghty process i.e. processing of cases through a Search Committee etc.

The previous Government tried to revolutanirize the policy making /dissemniation of quality education in universities by promulgating a Model Federal Universities Ordinance (FUO) in 2002, resultantly charters of many universities, establishment after 2002, were promulgated in congruence to the FUO. However, the fact remained there that the people (technocracts and veteran educationists) in Board of Governors are sometime mediocres and dont have proactiveness...

As far as the current decision is concerned, prima facie, it will not going to have any drastic change towards promotion of higher education, for example:

- The administrative and academic head in shape of Vice Chancellor/Rector is already there and is doing okay.

- After emplacement of another high level officer in universities, tussle for power will ensue in universities between Chancellor, Vice Chancellor and members of the Board of Governor/Senate.

- The current Chancellors do not take any thing in shape of monetary benefits from universities and in case an independant Chancellor is appointed, he will not only be taking enormous fees, but also he will be having a Chancellors' Secretariat having lot of officers/staff computers/furniture etc, only to add up financial burden on already financially weak educational institutions.

- People will try to crave and use pulls to get the post of Chancellor by hook or by crook and concept of reference will increase.

There can be many more problems, however, am not sure of them now... I think there can be strong resistence from Provncial Governors for this issue!!!... And i dont know the legal technicalities, whether a decision made by Federal Cabinet will be binding upon provincial governments /universities as well or otherwise, because a provincial university is established through laws passed by respective provincial assemblies...
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U got me finally,there is no use of crying over split milk han
i did get ur point from ur first post but dear bat wohin a jati hai k Governors kia or ye Technocrats kia they all are the chips of the same block.

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AOA

Apparently, this decision of government is to favour cronies of their respective parties.

As per prevalent Charters of public sector universities, the Governor of respective province or the President of Pakistan, in case of Federal Universities, is ex-officio Chancellor of the university. He is normally required to head the meetings of Board of Governors/Senate and have considerable powers for finalizing appointments of various statutory posts, policies, procedures, rules, statutes etc. Though, the charters/laws of the university have built-in clauses for nomination of some senior person/member of Board of Governor to act on behalf of Chancellor in case he is unable to attent the meeting of Board due to his busy schedule.

Conversely, in most of the private sector universities, the Governor is usually made a Patron, which is moreorless, a ceremonial post. Similarly in most of Federal Government universities, the President of Pakistan is having the ceremonial position of Patron. However, the government functionaries try to keep most of the powers under Chancellor, because he is a representative of government and his good offices could be used for shaping the policies of even private sector universities.

An important facet of the office of Chancellor was the fact that it usually remained an honarary post and the Governor does not take anything from government/university for attending/charing/finalizing the policies/rules for the universities.

Yes, the Vice Chancellor/Rector is usually a technocrat/educationist and is administrative and academic head of the university. He is normaly looking after all the affairs of university and report to Board of Governors/Senate etc. Usualy a V.C. is appointed through a lenghty process i.e. processing of cases through a Search Committee etc.

The previous Government tried to revolutanirize the policy making /dissemniation of quality education in universities by promulgating a Model Federal Universities Ordinance (FUO) in 2002, resultantly charters of many universities, establishment after 2002, were promulgated in congruence to the FUO. However, the fact remained there that the people (technocracts and veteran educationists) in Board of Governors are sometime mediocres and dont have proactiveness...

As far as the current decision is concerned, prima facie, it will not going to have any drastic change towards promotion of higher education, for example:

- The administrative and academic head in shape of Vice Chancellor/Rector is already there and is doing okay.

- After emplacement of another high level officer in universities, tussle for power will ensue in universities between Chancellor, Vice Chancellor and members of the Board of Governor/Senate.

- The current Chancellors do not take any thing in shape of monetary benefits from universities and in case an independant Chancellor is appointed, he will not only be taking enormous fees, but also he will be having a Chancellors' Secretariat having lot of officers/staff computers/furniture etc, only to add up financial burden on already financially weak educational institutions.

- People will try to crave and use pulls to get the post of Chancellor by hook or by crook and concept of reference will increase.

There can be many more problems, however, am not sure of them now... I think there can be strong resistence from Provncial Governors for this issue!!!... And i dont know the legal technicalities, whether a decision made by Federal Cabinet will be binding upon provincial governments /universities as well or otherwise, because a provincial university is established through laws passed by respective provincial assemblies...
you are right awan sab..v ol have the same point of view...
this decision is binding on all universities of Pakistan either they are under Federal govt or Provincial Govt.
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AOA

Apparently, this decision of government is to favour cronies of their respective parties.

As per prevalent Charters of public sector universities, the Governor of respective province or the President of Pakistan, in case of Federal Universities, is ex-officio Chancellor of the university. He is normally required to head the meetings of Board of Governors/Senate and have considerable powers for finalizing appointments of various statutory posts, policies, procedures, rules, statutes etc. Though, the charters/laws of the university have built-in clauses for nomination of some senior person/member of Board of Governor to act on behalf of Chancellor in case he is unable to attent the meeting of Board due to his busy schedule.

Conversely, in most of the private sector universities, the Governor is usually made a Patron, which is moreorless, a ceremonial post. Similarly in most of Federal Government universities, the President of Pakistan is having the ceremonial position of Patron. However, the government functionaries try to keep most of the powers under Chancellor, because he is a representative of government and his good offices could be used for shaping the policies of even private sector universities.

An important facet of the office of Chancellor was the fact that it usually remained an honarary post and the Governor does not take anything from government/university for attending/charing/finalizing the policies/rules for the universities.

Yes, the Vice Chancellor/Rector is usually a technocrat/educationist and is administrative and academic head of the university. He is normaly looking after all the affairs of university and report to Board of Governors/Senate etc. Usualy a V.C. is appointed through a lenghty process i.e. processing of cases through a Search Committee etc.

The previous Government tried to revolutanirize the policy making /dissemniation of quality education in universities by promulgating a Model Federal Universities Ordinance (FUO) in 2002, resultantly charters of many universities, establishment after 2002, were promulgated in congruence to the FUO. However, the fact remained there that the people (technocracts and veteran educationists) in Board of Governors are sometime mediocres and dont have proactiveness...

As far as the current decision is concerned, prima facie, it will not going to have any drastic change towards promotion of higher education, for example:

- The administrative and academic head in shape of Vice Chancellor/Rector is already there and is doing okay.

- After emplacement of another high level officer in universities, tussle for power will ensue in universities between Chancellor, Vice Chancellor and members of the Board of Governor/Senate.

- The current Chancellors do not take any thing in shape of monetary benefits from universities and in case an independant Chancellor is appointed, he will not only be taking enormous fees, but also he will be having a Chancellors' Secretariat having lot of officers/staff computers/furniture etc, only to add up financial burden on already financially weak educational institutions.

- People will try to crave and use pulls to get the post of Chancellor by hook or by crook and concept of reference will increase.

There can be many more problems, however, am not sure of them now... I think there can be strong resistence from Provncial Governors for this issue!!!... And i dont know the legal technicalities, whether a decision made by Federal Cabinet will be binding upon provincial governments /universities as well or otherwise, because a provincial university is established through laws passed by respective provincial assemblies...
I agree with brother TSA. To my understanding Chancellor is mere a ceremonial post with virtually no role in routine affairs nor even Policy Decsions of the respective universities.Functional head of universities are their VCs and as institution teh universities enjoys considerable autonomy.

AS pointed out by Brother TSA, Governers as Ex-Officio Chancellor are not entitled to any emolument. If this office is handed over to a full time official , it will emburden the already scarce resources of universities.Besides, it may trigger rift between the Chancellor and VC because a full time Chancellor is most likely to meddle in affairs of universities.So i dont favour this decsion of Govt.
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I agree with brother TSA. To my understanding Chancellor is mere a ceremonial post with virtually no role in routine affairs nor even Policy Decsions of the respective universities.Functional head of universities are their VCs and as institution teh universities enjoys considerable autonomy.

AS pointed out by Brother TSA, Governers as Ex-Officio Chancellor are not entitled to any emolument. If this office is handed over to a full time official , it will emburden the already scarce resources of universities.Besides, it may trigger rift between the Chancellor and VC because a full time Chancellor is most likely to meddle in affairs of universities.So i dont favour this decsion of Govt.
no one is in favor of this decision but it has been taken
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