some sections of society may be suffering from it but its not a bad disease at all. Rationalism, though is good to be prevailed every where, but with such low illiteracy rate, one cannot expect rationalism to be prevailed any where.

you are right! I heard a conversation between two persons. aik ne pocha ye yahood itne intelligent kui hote he, dosre ne jawab diya inno ne jaanat ka manasalwa kaya he


Khair, woh ziada eduacted he and their policies depicts it.

Plague (taoon) aksar aik bande se phelti hai , aur dusrun ko us kaa ilaaj karna yaa apne aap ko bachana na aata ho to yeh sab main phel jaati hai . Read this http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/ZionistCoverup.pdf and see how cunning they are, Superpowers ko jab yeh log apni unglion pe nacha sakte hain to ham to khaali mooli hain, khet bhi nahin hai

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The precondition for existence of a higher humanity is not the state, but the nation possessing the necessary ability.

sir jee i was talking about the emotionalism, that you pointed out in your post.

intelligent (aqalmand) chirya pasti nahi he aur jab pasti he to 2ono legs (tango) se pas jati he

bande ko mara phir keh rahe the ke kis ne mara, aur phir zaleel huwe aur jab akhir ma murde ko uthaya to os ne kaha ke inno ne he mujhe mara he! apne bure kamo ko khud criticize bhe karte he!

The ideas or concepts of liaqat ali khan are not divine so denying relationships with Israel on the argument because he opposed it is a very emotional and illogical approach. As far as foreign policy is concerned, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know all that, it's an open secret and the policy and what we see around reflects it very clearly. Foreign policy of pakistan is NOT independent and in DIRECT influence of GHQ!

If Mosad was actively involved in cold war then wasn't PAF involved in war against israel to support the Arabs? PAF sent its pilots to help the arabs and they shot down many Israeli air planes as well, Pakistan wasn't directly involved in War but to help the Arabs they got involved, so why doesn't it go down your throat that mosad did some things against us? You can plan and plot against them but they can't/wont? Please stop being emotional and jealous of Israel for having influence on USA policies. The Arabs already accepted them after shameful defeats every now and then, why shouldn't we? Jin ki madat ki thi pakistan nay in war against israel, they accepted israel, they why not Pakistan?

You are quoting out of context, We will discuss it when you can quote the exact verse and I can see myself the context and the exact wordings.

Arabs already accepted Israel lol.. Wake up just palestine does not represent the entire ARABS.. Israel defeated several arab countries in 1 go again and again and very shamefully, don't you know this?


varies for person to person, faith isn't only something that can be in religion alone.

Establishing Diplomatic relations with Israel does not mean that we are making friends with Jews...
Plz do not Quote Islamic verses whilst the issue under discussion is something else.

Are you aware that that was when the Shah ruled Iran? The Shah was indeed a friend of Pakistan, providing fuel to PAF pilots in 1965. These Mullahs not so much.

Please do some research before getting into arguments, man. You hate the Jews for no reason whatsoever, even you don't know why you hate them and are now using baseless arguments like "great game" and also using Quranic verses out of context to support your stance.

Asif, I appreciate your comments and whatever you have written here. They (which are in favor of Pak-Israel relations) will never accept your opinion and they will never follow what The Holy Quran says. They will follow US, Israel and India so let them think what they are thinking. Allah (S.W.T) says in the Holy Quran:

تو جو ہماری یاد سے روگردانی اور صرف دنیا ہی کی زندگی کا خواہاں ہو اس سے تم بھی منہ پھیر لو
So turn away from whoever turns his back on Our message and desires not except the worldly life. (53:29).

These people are fool if they are thinking that Israel will make friendship or any other relation with Muslims which can benefit both the countries. They (Jews) are always thinking that how they can eliminate Muslims from this world. Then how can they make any kind of relationship ?


Moreover, several memebrs are also Jews and Hindus and also secular and Munafiq. So they are right according to their faith. In ko inky haal pay chhor dena behtar hy. QK jesy main ny oper ayat quote ki to Allah ka yehi farman hy. We have to convey our message. That is our responsibility and you did it very well.

No one is talking about making friends with Israel or Jews, its only about diplomatic relations, as Our Holy Prophet Muhammad S.A.W did in MEESAQ-E-MADINA.
And Brother you are not the only Muslim and Momin in Pakistan.
haan agr ap ny ksi ko Munafiq qaraar deny ka thaika liya hai to or baat h...

There is obviously nothing too UnIslamic in maintaining diplomatic relations with Israel, Hazoor Akram (SAW) ne bhi Banu Nadir aur Khyber ke yahood qabail se sulah ki thi, magar Hazoor Akram (SAW) ne bhi aur Allah Pak ne bhi Quran main hamain khaas tor pe Zionists (tamam Judaism ke followers nahin un ke woh log jo Bani Israel kee purani haisiat bahal karane ke agenda pe lage huey hain) ke plans se hoshyar rehne kee warning dee hui hai aur is waqt hamari qom kee jo halat hai, jis tarah se yahan pe powerful logun ko paise se kharida jaa sakta hai aur jo zehni kaifiat puri qom kee hai, in haalaat main Israel jaise Zionism ke citadel se taaluqat buhut khatarnak aur taboot main aakhri keel saabit ho sakte hain aur Zionists aise taaluqat ko apne interests ko aage barhaane ke liye use kar sakte hain . We must make distinctions between anti-semitism and anti-zionism.

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The precondition for existence of a higher humanity is not the state, but the nation possessing the necessary ability.

Chhor Ki darhi main tinka.

Meri Behan main ny aap ko kia keh dia k aap ko mery Quran-e-Pak ki Quotation likhny par aor Asad Bhai ko iss discussion ko Mazeed na barhaany ki request karny par TAKELLF hoi.

Main ny sirf itna kaha k yahan har qisam k log hain. Non-Muslim bhi hain,Jews bhi hain, Christian bhi hain un sab ka apna apna point of view hy. To larny k bajaye har koi apna point of view bataye and thats it. Agar aap ko shak hy k Yahan sirf Musalman hain to mujhy batayein main aap ka shak door kiye deta hoon.

Na main ny kisi Muslim ko Non-Muslim kehny ka theka lay rakha hay (Agar main aisa karon to Allah mujhy iski saza day). Aor na aap koi hoti hain yeh kehny wali k hum kahan pay Quran-e-Pak ki ayaat Quote karain aor kahan na karain.

Jahan tak Misaq-e-Madina ki baat hy to uss waqt halat kuch aor thay. Muthi bhar Musalman thy aor aisa karna zarrori tha. Aaj Allah k fAzl-o-karam say hum aik Islami riasat main hain aor Dunia ka doosra bara Mazhab hy Islam.

Phir bhi agar aap ki kisi dukhti rag pay mera payoon agaya hy to main Mazarat khuwah hoon.