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but if you go through the Islamic history you might be surprised to see that the major cause of the downfall of most of the muslim dynasties was the involvement in harem system/concubines/polygamy/slave girls bla bla bla. So we cannot overrule this fact.
plus abuse of power, using religion for political and worldly gains, vanishing of social justice, and totalitarian suppression of people were also causes of downfall, I think more severe than above mentioned .
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Sir with due respect, you said that immoral activities doesn't matter a lot. but if you go through the Islamic history you might be surprised to see that the major cause of the downfall of most of the muslim dynasties was the involvement in harem system/concubines/polygamy/slave girls bla bla bla. So we cannot overrule this fact.
No, the major cause of the downfall of the Muslims was their abhorrence of change and their unwillingness (or inability) to attain scientific education. The Ottoman Empire, remained powerful for a long time, but finally succumbed to the far more technologically advanced Europeans. It should be noted here that although the Ottoman Empire technically came to an end after the WW1, they had been taking a beating for quite some time. Had they paid more attention to science and less to their so called "art", they might managed to retain their power.

Similarly, had the Mughals paid more attention to science and less to building gardens, they might have been able to put down the Marathas (who were the MAIN cause for the decline of Mughal power). In the case of the Mughals, although India was a rich country, they had failed to modrenize their economic system which was another major reason for their rather quick collapse (Aurangzeb died in 1707; Delhi was overrun in 1737).

Of course you can argue that the "immoral" lifestyles of the Mughals contributed to their fall, but that was by no means the main reason.
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The above post remind me the old times when Mughals were building Gardens, Forts, Places and "Maqbaras" the technologically advance nations were building Universities and colleges, Rail and road systems, Health and research institutions and history proved that investment in education/research is the only way to progress.
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Another advantage of not having democracy, by avoiding outrages as compared to Pakistan.
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No doubt DEMOCRACY is not suitable for certain countries like Saudia. Even for Pakistan the democracy has done more harm then benefit. All the development that has taken place in Pakistan so far was during the non-democratic regimes of Gen. Auyab, Gen Zia and Gen. Mussharff. It is statistically proven.
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Even for Pakistan the democracy has done more harm then benefit. All the development that has taken place in Pakistan so far was during the non-democratic regimes of Gen. Auyab, Gen Zia and Gen. Mussharff. It is statistically proven.
Bro democracy has never been allowed to function in Pakistan which is why it hasn't matured. For most of our history, we have been ruled by the army, either directly or indirectly. Institution need time to develop.

Also, what developments of General Zia are you talking about? The SSP, MQM, Taliban, etc etc? An extremist mindset is Zia's gift to the nation
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I was saying that with reference to (Economic) development. Anybody can see the economic indicators of the said periods from the official record available with Pakistan Bureau of Statistics.
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Democracy is better in those countries where education and literacy level is on the high side. In non-educated countries like Pakistan it is not suitable because we have feudal system too in our country whereas India had abolished that system and that is why they are successful to run democracy since 1947.
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