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Suo motos have become a tradition.starting from suo moto on killing of brothers in Sialkot to violence over teacher in sargodha,every headline in newpapers is turned into suo moto.Latest of all being Abbas town blast. All i want to ask you guys that is it really worth it?is some real change being brought by these notices?
no doubt that SC is not a trial court but still its jurisdiction is extended to trial courts and the actual progress in all the suo motos can be seen in those small courts.years and years passed and there have been no progress.
i was going through an article written by M.Hanif on BBC urdu where a father from Qilla Saifullah whose Son allegedly "went missing" said that CJP can't do anything about this province.He is just here to save face and this seems to be legit as the whole Baluchistan case hearing was accompanies on verbal striking of role of secret agencies and FC but when the verdict came it was Provincial Government who was held accountable for all that was happening in the province.Its just Like blaming your Cooker for burning the food.
so what do you guys really think that are these suo motos really a mean to proivde us the muc Needed "Rule of Law" or is it just a PR practice??
i fear that time when news of SC notice shall be taken as lightly as the news of notice taken by President or Prime Minister have become
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yes it is true that CJP took the notice of only those matter which are being are highlighted by the media but at least he is taking the notice, though not sufficient. Furthermore the handling of state affairs is not a one man show. Government and so called fourth institution MEDIA should also fulfill its responsibility, because the life of every pakistani is equally importany.
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Before we comment on suo moto notice issue.I would like to draw your attention to Judiciary's state of affairs.As it is assumed that delayed justice is denial of justice but one can not expect even delayed justice here rather expierence tarikh pe tarikh trend.And what to talk of courts staff from gate keeper to clercks every one wants grab out some money out of suffering people.When pockets are empty one has no way other than to settle down their disputes out of the courts.Interesting thing is that this all is happening under the nose of our honourable Chief Justice.You can not see much efforts of CJ to make judiciary transparent and corruption free at grass root level.But you'll find many instances where he calls heads of departments and hold them responsible for the failure of their departments.
Some one has said death of one person is tragedy and death of many persons is statistcs.So whenever media comes up with this kind of tragedy CJ SB does not bother to take suo moto notice, by the way, it is also a good way to keep in touch with nation that he is doing his job.
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CJ no doubt has been working really hard on certain issues and taking suo moto notices to provide instant justice to the aggrieved but CJ unfortunately like most or all central figures is controversial.He was less than reasonable in the money laundering case.Because he only demanded inquiry from FIA on the issue but gave serious remarks on the role of ISI in the case.Unfortunately he was not not just enough to call upon those politicians who were benefited by Money Laundering.According to ISI officials,the 1990 elections were rigged and PPP govt was toppled by ISI to conduct elections and bring the PML-N to power but still CJ turned a deaf ear to this grave accusation because it was Nawaz shareef who led the struggle for restoration of judiciary so CJ would have been 'unthankful' if he would have taken the matter seriously

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CJ's responsibility is not to maintain the law and order, rather, to establish & maintain the justice.

If, he is taking suo-moto actions, then what is wrong with that ?
Its the responsibility of law enforcing agencies, to take corrective actions,as per the CJP's directives and maintain the law & order situation under control.

Its the responsibility of the federal and provincial governments to make the recruitment of soldiers in police department,transparent and merit based. If the recruitment is done on merit and justly, the system will itself evolve.

CJP has no omnipresence powers to observe each and every inch of our society, and take suo-motos for countless subjects. He is a human, and i believe, is doing quite well.

by the way, one who started the topic, has forgot it, i guess
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Something odd I find about the suo motos of our acclaimed CJP:
If any Badami Bagh tragedy or the likes of it happen in Punjab then it's the incompetence of Punjab Police admin,while any such incident in Sindh invites instant suo Moto and our CJP dubs it as the incompetence of Sindh government.
Is it some sort of prejudice against Sindh government or is it my naive political assessment.?
Need some insights.
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Aoa,
CJP doing very well job and he is person who restore on the seat of CJ by support of Pakistani peoples remember (16 march) and also remember the patriotic huge and warm hearted crowd of long march and hearts of people were full the sprite of national enthum,
Now I come on actual job of CJP:
CJP is responsible to establish justice in PAK and give justice if any person knocks the door of court.
Those problem which highlights you are related to to our governance and our govrment failed to tackle these problems, and it is also related to ourself we can clean our society and for wellfear of our society every Pakistani do their job well and in a good manner automatically every thing will be right INSHAALLAH
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is it my naive political assessment.?
Indeed it is. CJ gave ruling on the basis of report given by JIT. It exposed all major parties of Sindh to have militant wings which they have been consistently using for ulterior motives for more than one decade. Karachi has turned into murder- mega city of the world. It stands on 10th number in the list of most dangerous cities of the world in 2013.

CJ's words have nothing to do with Sindh- Punjab saga.
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But you have to give police the prerogative to act in case police pre- empts such Badami Bagh incident.
I mean we all know why police was standing silent and just watching all the mayhem;because they never received any orders from the political leadership to act.
So I guess CJP should have blamed Punjab Government because in spirit they were the ones not to act,and were the ones calling shots.!

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But you have to give police the prerogative to act in case police pre- empts such Badami Bagh incident.
I mean we all know why police was standing silent and just watching all the mayhem;because they never received any orders from the political leadership to act.
So I guess CJP should have blamed Punjab Government because in spirit they were the ones not to act,and were the ones calling shots.!
Dear I think this is not like that.

Usually there are two type of decisions one short term/tactical and other long term/strategic, the short term decisions are to be made right at the spot like fire in factory, mob gathered after loadshedding of electricity/gas, mob gathered at hospital after death of some person on negligence of doctors and like this mob gathered on blasphemy issue. While others issues need long term /strategic decisions like how to stop target killings at Karachi, how to decrease loadshedding, how to tackle doctors strike, or how to make bridges and start tube well etc etc..

The tactical decisions are to be dealt with by the duty staff at the place, like in this case, it was primarily responsibility of Police (SHO/SDPO/CPO etc) to tackle the issue. But these are really very sensitive matters and already angry mob can create more troubles, if am not forgetting anything, some days back there was an incident in Punjab, where Police brought the person -accuse with blasphemy -to police station and was trying to protect him but angry mob torched that police station!.. . ...

Anyways, Punjab government cannot be fully blamed for such havoc.....

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