In the wake of terrorism in karachi and Quetta it is high time the shia community devised a meticulous plan to wreck havoc with the government.I wonder seeing our shia ulema on electronic media condemning attacks in a light tone.The government understands the force of terror and the shia community should teach the government as a reply to the bloody genocide in same tone otherwise the genocide would continue.What had happened in Quetta and now in Karachi is a testimony to the fact that the shia community is being ruthlessly murdered in an artistic way.It is time to remain united and strike with the anti shia elements

I agree with you aliraza171. Since past few months, there is a planned genocide of shia community in Pakistan. Question raises why? Besides the poor law and order situation in whole Pakistan, why only one community is under attack? and what are the possible solutions that can be device to regain peace and security for all people including shias.

It is really saddening to see our own citizens of the State who just are butchered and massacred on the mere basis of being a minority.

Sometimes it is the bereaved Hazara community of the fragile Balochistan province, who are ruthlessly assassinated with a proper planning and scheme. At others highly prominent respectable educated and notable professionals such as the recent eye specialist and other contributing members of the society are targeted by motorcycle clad murderers.

To add more to the pain of the sidelined and victimized Shia community they are targeted by such heinous and murky bomb blasts.

Humanity is continuously bleeding in our country and we the common people can only remain silent spectators or at most raise our voices on various forums or arrange protests for that matter.

Can you guys also see it from another broader and larger paradigm and perspective? I am not a very big fan of conspiracy theorists albeit that I think it is some how related to the recent surge in animosity between Saudi Arabs and Iranians. Recent examples on going sectarian strive as to who will cling to the helm of power in Syria between the same belligerents divided on ideological grounds. Russian, Iranian and Syria (Assad) on one side while Saudis, Americans, and the rest of Westerns on the other side.

Similarly we also witnessed the same trends in the recently curbed uprisings in Bahrain by the Shia majority that is ruled by a minority sections of their society from decades. A belligerence of sorts between the same contenders.

What if the same struggle is also going on in Pakistan? And the Shia genocide is relatively associated to these global contemporary events.

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really sad. those who create such type of havoc cannot be called human in any sense of the world. They are animals. Govt must take serious action against them.

Almost more than five hundred shiite have been martyred and some around six hundred people are hospitalized at the expense of their own.CURRENTLY the government is totally oblivious of the arising danger which is approaching fast in the form of strife and civil war.OBVIOUSLY the role of our neighbouring countries,especially Saudiarabia,in funding Our outlawed organisations also responsible.Now what the Shiite community should do as a reaction and in order to protect itself as the government has failed to provide it defence.Should the Shiite community in general and Imamia student organistion in particular Raise their hands up with arms in order to save their own lives...A million dollar question?

Aslam o Alaikum,

Whosoever want to read this thread and want to comment upon it, is requested to give a reading to this post as well.

Respected brother Ali Raza et al,

The post titled, "Shia Genocide' in discussion sub-forum, caught great attention to read out if it is a sort of discussion whether killings of Shia Muslims is a sort of genocide or else. However, after reading out the contents, it was a request for some joint approach against the government to stop killings of innocent Shia brethren. Being a Shia, it incited me as well thinking my Shia brothers are being killed in the country in great numbers and government should stop it etc. But then some small element of mind in my brain shook me and reminded me scenes of blood and flesh; pieces of blood, cloths and flesh scattered here and there after terrorist attacks or blasts and people crying for help, screaming for deaths of near /dear ones as well as screaming to see lot of smoke and human flesh.... During a blast there is lot of energy, which can through things away, great noise which can destroy ones eardrums and if one is safe enough from blast and its splinters, still for sometime ones brain stop working that what is all this...Blood sprouting from injured in great quantities and some of them being died on the spot crying for help and help...... Anyhow, it also reminded me words of Allah in Quran, and teachings of AnHazrat PBUH as well as Imameen and i thought to share my point of view.

Yesterday I was reading some column somewhere, perhaps it was written by Dr. A. Q Khan, which also contained some sentences that s per teachings of Islam, there are three persons who have got sure chance of going to hell! Mean they are to get greatest wrath of Almighty Allah on the day of judgement, it was further written that these people will be first Mushrik, who do not accept Allah as Wah-dau-hu lashareek. Second is the person who becomes Murtid, mean he is a person who get belief on Allah's unity and later on go away from it. And the third is a person who kill any Muslim (and at some parts it is written that any human) without any reason. Mean third person is a person who kills any other human being without any justified reason. Allah is the greatest, the most benevolent, the most merciful and the most gracious, HE time and again narrated in Quran about logic, thinking and usage of humans' intellect and gave examples from different things including those of mosquitoes, stars etc. The same has been taught by AnHazrat PBUH who is the complete human being and greatest among Messengers etc... And has also been taught by every Imam and Sufi Karam etc..

Implying to the fact that whoseover is killing innocent Muslims including Shia Muslims is not supposed to get away from HIS wrath!!

Now another aspect, the post is directed for action against the government for Shia genocide... Some of these points can be inferred from this statement,

(i) government is killing our Shia brethren
(ii) only Shia brethren are being killed
(iii) government is not doing anything to stop such killing. !

Then there is another statement, i quote "government understands the force of terror and the shia community should teach the government as a reply to the bloody genocide in same tone otherwise the genocide would continue."" If we break this sentence into parts, it will mean

(i) government understands the force of terror
(ii) shia community should teach the government
(iii) as a reply to the bloody genocide in same tone
(iv) otherwise the genocide would continue.

It has incited me very well that the government only listen force and shia community should teach government a lesson in same tone, mean start killing them otherwise this thing will continue! Now again the same questions,

(i) is government killing our Shia brethren ?
(ii) are Shia brethren being killed only ?
(iii) is government not doing anything to stop such killing.?

Perhaps we all are mature and educated people and perhaps we all read newspapers and media reports, however, let me share you what i get from media and newspapers;

(i) the first and foremost thing is that government is not killing any shia. as it appears they try to stop such killings
(ii) only shias are not being killed. There are lot of killings on daily basis in various parts of the country and off and on there are lot of terrorist attacks and not only shias are being killed in such attacks.
(iii) this can, in no saying, be termed as a genocide of shia.

Fellows, revival and ali raza, you have rightly stated that it may be a part of a greater game of Middle East and we are being made a party of it. They might incite us but they cannot use us unless we want to be used. And if we are used then by GOD there is no stupid and idiot person in whole earth then us! Both Shia and Sunni Ulema are playing very great role not to become part of that agenda and pacifying people. Bravo and hail to shia and sunni ulemas.

Brother Imamia Students! During my college days, I tried to associate myself with this organization but found later on that perhaps it also get funds from some foreign country!! ! As regards killing of around five hundred Shia brothers is sad, but more then 50000 countrymen gave their life in war against terror. They are also our brothers.... And those being killed on daily basis at Karachi under political agendas!..

Further, after a couple of days when there was great killing of our Hazara brethren at Quetta, there were some blasts in FATA as well, and there families brought the dead bodies in front of Governor House KPK and one can see newspapers how badly KPK Government treated them etc. Thanks God, government and people from various walks of life did not deal the Quetta issues badly otherwise people like you will wreck havoc. Brother cool down and stay calm.

The statement"" I wonder seeing our shia ulema on electronic media condemning attacks in a light tone," might had been considered by Ulema before. They are much educated (having great knowledge of religion and world) and well experienced then you and me, they know well what and how to do. Kindly keep such thoughts inside cupboard of your room or better to through them in dustbin and live and let others live peacefully in this small piece of land.

Mods: this thread may come under regulations of the government of Pakistan for inciting some community/group of people to create disturbances and should either be deleted or stopped. Further it is requested that name of this thread may be changed and this word 'genocide' should be deleted, please. !

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Agreed that behind this shia killing the purpose is to destabilise this country .But no matter what the purpose is,i think,it is a shia genocide because the bottom line is that shias are being killed and this is not just just shia killing but target shia killing.As for as the thing that tens of people are being killed everyday who are not shias,we should remember that they are not killed because they belong to any sectarian or ethnic group neither they are specifically targeted before being killed whereas in case of shias we are being killed because we belong to a specific sectarian group.So in my view the comparison made in the last post does not hold much weight.

This shia killing is just to instigate feelings of hatred among Pakistanis against each other and nothing else and the worst part is that now slowly people are becoming prey of this and may be they are not wrong in their reaction too because if justice is not provided then it should not be expected from people to not react.

Yes for the greater interest of this country we should still not use this term genocide for the time being irrespective of what i think.But as a member of shia community i can clearly see the resentment in the eyes of my people.Not to forget that we are an illiterate nation generally and lead by illiterate leaders be it religious,political.And it is very easy for the mullahs,zakirs to channel the emotion of our people in the way of their interests.

We have the biggest imam bargah of the area in our home in our village and people their are talking about shahadat but the thing that worries me is that to whom they are up against?Even they dont know this.They will follow the uneducated zakir who has got the most narrow thinking in the world and cannot see beyond his interest.So doesn't matter if it is shia genocide or not it should be stopped.

My view and the general view in the shia community as well is that people undertaking these activities are not hard to get or even if it they are hard to get then at least an attempt should be made to capture them which is not or appears to be not made.And establishment too either does want to go against them or they are incapable to do so.

Lastly this is not in defense of shias but for my understanding that a lot is said that even shias get support from Iran and they do also have organisations like lashkar e jhangvi operating in Pakistan.But where do these shia organisations practically commit acts of terrorism as is done by SSP and lashkar e jhangvi?How many examples are out there where we can say that shia organisation have done this act of terrorism at this and this place and at this and this instance?

P.S.I dont have much know how about things and so i can be wrong but cant stop my mind from questioning.

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I belong to Sunni sect, but I am quite clear in getting things that blasts and killing of people in the country are terrorist attacks whereas people of Shia sect are being targeted with an organized plan and thought. They (Shia) know very well who are killing them. About a decade ago when govt failed, they were responding well to such targets. The onus goes to Punjab Govt; Punjab: the sanctuaries to major defunct organizations, which are against shia sect and openly operating in the whole country with filthy aim to wipe out shia community. No provincial govt is willing to take action against any such elements at this stage when elections are approaching. Unconcerned and indifferent, but they will come again to rule.

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It amazes me how much lazy,clumsy and sloppy have the law enforcement agencies been, u gotta be kidding me,the best intelligence network in the world,still our community gets slaughtered like scapegoats at an eid festival.I truly and undoubtedly believe that these insane terrorists,these hooligans have some real strong connections within the ranks of our intelligence agencies,afterall they are they ones who created them some 2,3 decades ago.Its a ticklish still a crystal clear connection.and we all know that there is good chunk of top guns in agencies being clerics,what to say i strongly believe to be it the reality.Last but definitely not the least the PPP regime has miserably failed to demolish the edifice of terroism and extremism or even shake it to a negligible extent.We should as pakistanis should not be cursing and involving ourselves in religious tiffs and must keep our unity examplery in these awfully painful and turbulent times.

This is what I find suitable as a reply to this thread:
Ye Nafrat Buri Hai, Na Paalo Isay
Dilo Main Khalish Hai ,Nikalo Isay
Na Tera ,Na Mera ,Na Iska , Na Uska
Ye Sab Ka Watan Hai,Bacha Lo Isay