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This discussion was initiated with the panchayet system which is included in the manifesto of PTI, so we should discuss the merits and demerits of PTI's panchayet system.
Not only panchayat system ,his stress has been on devolution of the power at grass roots level in which local people will have authority over their thanadar, doctor at the health centre and teacher in their schools....along with abolition of patwari system through computerisation of land tax and revenue system....


Now lets discuss the pros and cons of this power devolution system as panchayat is just a part of it..
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I have read this conversation thoroughly. And all I can contribute to it is a simple quote by Lord Acton. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Just something to think about.
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This discussion was initiated with the panchayet system which is included in the manifesto of PTI, so we should discuss the merits and demerits of PTI's panchayet system.
PTI manifesto page no. 21 it is mentioned that:
1) Majority of local disputes to be resolved within the village to reduce the burden of seeking this higher up the justice system. Village councils will maintain village solidarity and unity through Alternate Dispute Resolution(ADR) method backed by Law.
2) Oversight committee will be created comprising Village Council members to oversee the functioning of Health units,schools, police stations revenue, irrigation and agriculture department.

Now the question arises here; Why is he trying to put Panchayats above judicial system?
Who will be the members of this Village council? Don't you think the Waderraas will get another chance to monopolise these village councils? Again the tahnydaars will come under influence of Waderaas in the form of these village councils. What if these Village councils tend to do some injustice? will we be able to appeal in High Court as IK has put Village Council above Judiciary?
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I think members of village counsils will be elected members of union councils.
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I totally agree with sabahat, I dont know how Imran khan's given Local government will work as we have no doubt on his sincerity but Unfortunately the villages in pakistan are trapped under bradri system or wadera system.... The elected council would be so called Malik council or choudhary council... As imran khan mentions himself against status quo but unintentionally he is providing waderas and choudhary more opportunity to hold their grip on villages by deciding who would be SHO,Teachers and doctors...
and moreover, Panchait system looks to me an immature decision and we all know what sort of decisions taken by panchait like declairing wani, killing in the name of karo kari.... I dont know what he is going to do with fates of weak people.
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I think members of village counsils will be elected members of union councils.
Those elected members of Union councils will be once again those waderaas and sardars who seek votes by force or influence.



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I totally agree with sabahat, I dont know how Imran khan's given Local government will work as we have no doubt on his sincerity but Unfortunately the villages in pakistan are trapped under bradri system or wadera system.... The elected council would be so called Malik council or choudhary council... As imran khan mentions himself against status quo but unintentionally he is providing waderas and choudhary more opportunity to hold their grip on villages by deciding who would be SHO,Teachers and doctors...
and moreover, Panchait system looks to me an immature decision and we all know what sort of decisions taken by panchait like declairing wani, killing in the name of karo kari.... I dont know what he is going to do with fates of weak people.
Yes indeed we have no doubt about sincere intentions of IK but the thing is that how would he achieve the dream destination of changing status quo with this sort of local system? There should be some check and balance on these Panchayats as well.
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PTI manifesto page no. 21 it is mentioned that:
1) Majority of local disputes to be resolved within the village to reduce the burden of seeking this higher up the justice system. Village councils will maintain village solidarity and unity through Alternate Dispute Resolution(ADR) method backed by Law.
2) Oversight committee will be created comprising Village Council members to oversee the functioning of Health units,schools, police stations revenue, irrigation and agriculture department.

Now the question arises here; Why is he trying to put Panchayats above judicial system?
Who will be the members of this Village council? Don't you think the Waderraas will get another chance to monopolise these village councils? Again the tahnydaars will come under influence of Waderaas in the form of these village councils. What if these Village councils tend to do some injustice? will we be able to appeal in High Court as IK has put Village Council above Judiciary?
Village council members will be elected ones...

I do not think that village councils will be the supreme authority in judgements and decision making in every sphere of issue and law, but it will make swift and timely decision making possible regarding agriculture, irrigation or revenue issues at grass roots level. It will save time and money of complainants. I see more positives of it
And then these elected people will oversee their Police station, Heath care centre and School and will have their say in the matters which are designed for their welfare..

As village council members will be elected ones, the people who voted them to power will be responsible for their good or bad decisions as well...They need to stand for themselves rather than waiting for an outsider to help them...

And to remind you that waderas or feudal do not necessarily influence a single village...They rule over number of villages or even upto the tehsil or district level. Thus empowerment of many units under a feudal will benefit general people..

I think at a district or provincial level you are at the mercy of an individual or few individuals this system is easy to enslave the population, For some reason the English introduced this system of oppression.....Through this system it is easy to control the masses...On the other hand devolution of power allows people to choose the best among them to represent, serve and judge between themselves...
If we mostly are good then we will judge the good and if we mostly are bad then we can be purchased and enslaved ...

I think it is not much difficult to see the benefits of local government system as this structure is the essence of democracy worldwide..

In the end the power system does not end with village councils or union councils at all..

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If waderas and sardars can seek votes by force in elections of union councils, then they can use the same force in general elections and in that case, we should forget about the victory of PTI and IK. No PTI and no local govt system.

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If waderas and sardars can seek votes by force in elections of union councils, then they can use the same force in general elections and in that case, we should forget about the victory of PTI and IK. No PTI and no local govt system.

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It is the case with small villages. And I really don't think PTI will get seats from villages. A harsh reality. PTI needs time to make clean sweep in elections.
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