Ik pleading panchayat system?

sabahatbhutta · #1 Saturday, May 04, 2013

Election season is on with each party presenting distinct lucrative offers for us.

IK again and again speaks for change which is a positive sign, at least someone spoke for it. But one thing that bothers me is his plan of reviving Jirga culture. He in his almost every speech has said that all issues would be resolved in the jirga or Panchayit of the area and monopoly of Thanydaar would end. I wonder he is trying to impose or propose, the old,defective and unjust Panchayat system in the country. Remember this is the same Panchayat and Jirga system which is the flesh and blood of Feudal system. This very system ordered the gang rape of Mukhtaraan maii, killing of 6 girls in Kohistan for clapping in a wedding ceremony, burying 5 girls whilst they were alive; in Jaffar Abbad. I wonder what sort of CHANGE he is pleading and what are we following? I am expecting much form IK.
I invite you all to prove my concerns wrong or add to my fears that even IK can't change it.

Invincible · #2 Saturday, May 04, 2013

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Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

But one thing that bothers me is his plan of reviving Jirga culture. He in his almost every speech has said that all issues would be resolved in the jirga or Panchayit of the area and monopoly of Thanydaar would end. I wonder he is trying to impose or propose, the old,defective and unjust Panchayat system in the country. Remember this is the same Panchayat and Jirga system which is the flesh and blood of Feudal system. This very system ordered the gang rape of Mukhtaraan maii, killing of 6 girls in Kohistan for clapping in a wedding ceremony, burying 5 girls whilst they were alive; in Jaffar Abbad. I wonder what sort of CHANGE he is pleading and what are we following? I am expecting much form IK.
I invite you all to prove my concerns wrong or add to my fears that even IK can't change it.

He should be better quoted with reference without any prejudice. He must be knowing above incidents that defamed Pakistan.

2 qualities are prerequisites for Leading a Nation.

1. Loyalty.

2. Vision.

He is the best among current lot of Politicians because he has above ingredients. He is simply like the gold dust at current moment.

Last but not the least: A momin doesnt get stung from the same whole twice. (Hadith).

So one should think 10 times before casting vote to same tested parties.

IK deserves a Chance.

Regards

sabahatbhutta · #3 Saturday, May 04, 2013

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Originally Posted by Invincible

He should be better quoted with reference without any prejudice. He must be knowing above incidents that defamed Pakistan.

I did not provide any specific reference because I already stated that he repeated this in his each speech. For specific reference check his todays speech at Sawabi.

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Originally Posted by Invincible

2 qualities are prerequisites for Leading a Nation.

1. Loyalty.

2. Vision.

I am mainly concerned about the vision as loyalty is abstract in sense that it is unmeasurable. Regarding vision my question is worth consideration. Does Jirga System posses feasibility for our social system in wake of those incidents I already mentioned?

Syeda Bukhari · #4 Saturday, May 04, 2013

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Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

Election season is on with each party presenting distinct lucrative offers for us.

IK again and again speaks for change which is a positive sign, at least someone spoke for it. But one thing that bothers me is his plan of reviving Jirga culture. He in his almost every speech has said that all issues would be resolved in the jirga or Panchayit of the area and monopoly of Thanydaar would end. I wonder he is trying to impose or propose, the old,defective and unjust Panchayat system in the country. Remember this is the same Panchayat and Jirga system which is the flesh and blood of Feudal system. This very system ordered the gang rape of Mukhtaraan maii, killing of 6 girls in Kohistan for clapping in a wedding ceremony, burying 5 girls whilst they were alive; in Jaffar Abbad. I wonder what sort of CHANGE he is pleading and what are we following? I am expecting much form IK.
I invite you all to prove my concerns wrong or add to my fears that even IK can't change it.

Sabahat as far as i know what he always means to promote is not the old jirga system but local government system. He always talks of giving rights and power at grass root level.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Invincible

He should be better quoted with reference without any prejudice. He must be knowing above incidents that defamed Pakistan.

2 qualities are prerequisites for Leading a Nation.

1. Loyalty.

2. Vision.

He is the best among current lot of Politicians because he has above ingredients. He is simply like the gold dust at current moment.

Last but not the least: A momin doesnt get stung from the same whole twice. (Hadith).

So one should think 10 times before casting vote to same tested parties.

IK deserves a Chance.

Regards

I totally agree!

Bilal Hassan · #5 Saturday, May 04, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Invincible

He should be better quoted with reference without any prejudice. He must be knowing above incidents that defamed Pakistan.

2 qualities are prerequisites for Leading a Nation.

1. Loyalty.

2. Vision.

He is the best among current lot of Politicians because he has above ingredients. He is simply like the gold dust at current moment.

Last but not the least: A momin doesnt get stung from the same whole twice. (Hadith).

So one should think 10 times before casting vote to same tested parties.

IK deserves a Chance.

Regards

Brother i acquiesce with you BUT i have something that you would like to consider...

Don't you think he is just swirling the blood of the uneducated masses with high sounding slogans? He is playing mere a demagogue, he is seeking the support of masses on the basis of emotion rather than logic and reason....

He says he will curb the inflation......HOW?????
There is a proper market mechanism that determines the prices of the commodities and if you mess with this automatic mechanism, things go awry.....If he keeps a price ceiling and interfere with the equilibrium than there would be seen many people demanding these low priced commodities but the vendors will only sell that much quantity that is below their Marginal cost and if it exceeds, they will simply stop the supply, they can't bear losses.....

He says that when i become Prime Minister, i will ask PAF to shot down the predator (drones).....HOW?????
I have been in PAF and i know they are not under any obligation to follow every senseless order of PM.....they would have shot it down way earlier if they deemed fit.....Khan sb living in fool's paradise.....if PAF does anything like that, their jets will follow us in hot pursuit and you know what will happen? our innocent people will be killed and where will we retaliate? In Afghanistan, killing our own Muslim brothers.....Americans are like dust in grains, too hard to find to be killed from an aircraft.....

He says that we will not take any command from America and i will make Pakistan a sovereign country....i ask HOW?????
US is a super power, they are present with their 27 allies in our neighborhood and you say that we won't follow anything.....Don't give me the example of Iran, there is perfect homogeneity, all are shias supporting their shiite govt...Don't tell me about North Korea and Afghanistan...they have nothing at stake......Japan is second largest economy and Americans have three major bases, Kuwait has a major base of Americans, South Korea has major presence of Americans on their soil......we have no such issue we are sovereign already..... Khan sb must be a realist not an idealist.....

Giving him a chance? You wanna have an experiment? this isn't a laboratory, this is the matter of a country for God sake.....we can't do experiments here...for experiments we need to have all factors remain constant.....No America in Afghanistan, Expanding economy, flourishing country...then we can give him a chance and do an experiment but not now.....

Ali Mubashir · #6 Sunday, May 05, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Brother i acquiesce with you BUT i have something that you would like to consider...

Don't you think he is just swirling the blood of the uneducated masses with high sounding slogans? He is playing mere a demagogue, he is seeking the support of masses on the basis of emotion rather than logic and reason....

He says he will curb the inflation......HOW?????
There is a proper market mechanism that determines the prices of the commodities and if you mess with this automatic mechanism, things go awry.....If he keeps a price ceiling and interfere with the equilibrium than there would be seen many people demanding these low priced commodities but the vendors will only sell that much quantity that is below their Marginal cost and if it exceeds, they will simply stop the supply, they can't bear losses.....

He says that when i become Prime Minister, i will ask PAF to shot down the predator (drones).....HOW?????
I have been in PAF and i know they are not under any obligation to follow every senseless order of PM.....they would have shot it down way earlier if they deemed fit.....Khan sb living in fool's paradise.....if PAF does anything like that, their jets will follow us in hot pursuit and you know what will happen? our innocent people will be killed and where will we retaliate? In Afghanistan, killing our own Muslim brothers.....Americans are like dust in grains, too hard to find to be killed from an aircraft.....

He says that we will not take any command from America and i will make Pakistan a sovereign country....i ask HOW?????
US is a super power, they are present with their 27 allies in our neighborhood and you say that we won't follow anything.....Don't give me the example of Iran, there is perfect homogeneity, all are shias supporting their shiite govt...Don't tell me about North Korea and Afghanistan...they have nothing at stake......Japan is second largest economy and Americans have three major bases, Kuwait has a major base of Americans, South Korea has major presence of Americans on their soil......we have no such issue we are sovereign already..... Khan sb must be a realist not an idealist.....

Giving him a chance? You wanna have an experiment? this isn't a laboratory, this is the matter of a country for God sake.....we can't do experiments here...for experiments we need to have all factors remain constant.....No America in Afghanistan, Expanding economy, flourishing country...then we can give him a chance and do an experiment but not now.....

yes dear I 100% agree with you. IK is living in the world of utopia, in election campaign he is using his 1992 victory of cwc , while all other players specially waseem akram and inzi make possible to win the world cup 92. and i noticed he has not a good style of speech as revolutionary leaders usually have. when he talks in public meetings it seems he is telling the story of alif laila.
and our pathan brothers are supporting him just because he is niazi pathan. while the youngsters of punjab are supporting him on the basis of cwc victory of 1992. in one way or other he has no proper vision for our country. he just beat about the bush. and i think he will hardly manage to secure maximum 20 to 2 n.a seats out of 272 general seats.

Invincible · #7 Sunday, May 05, 2013

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Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

I did not provide any specific reference because I already stated that he repeated this in his each speech. For specific reference check his todays speech at Sawabi.

Syeda Bukhari's answer is up-to the mark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

I am mainly concerned about the vision as loyalty is abstract in sense that it is unmeasurable. Regarding vision my question is worth consideration.

Politicians' Karnamas are self evident to prove their loyalty.

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Brother i acquiesce with you BUT i have something that you would like to consider...

Don't you think he is just swirling the blood of the uneducated masses with high sounding slogans? He is playing mere a demagogue, he is seeking the support of masses on the basis of emotion rather than logic and reason....

He says he will curb the inflation......HOW?????
There is a proper market mechanism that determines the prices of the commodities and if you mess with this automatic mechanism, things go awry.....If he keeps a price ceiling and interfere with the equilibrium than there would be seen many people demanding these low priced commodities but the vendors will only sell that much quantity that is below their Marginal cost and if it exceeds, they will simply stop the supply, they can't bear losses.....

He says that when i become Prime Minister, i will ask PAF to shot down the predator (drones).....HOW?????
I have been in PAF and i know they are not under any obligation to follow every senseless order of PM.....they would have shot it down way earlier if they deemed fit.....Khan sb living in fool's paradise.....if PAF does anything like that, their jets will follow us in hot pursuit and you know what will happen? our innocent people will be killed and where will we retaliate? In Afghanistan, killing our own Muslim brothers.....Americans are like dust in grains, too hard to find to be killed from an aircraft.....

He says that we will not take any command from America and i will make Pakistan a sovereign country....i ask HOW?????
US is a super power, they are present with their 27 allies in our neighborhood and you say that we won't follow anything.....Don't give me the example of Iran, there is perfect homogeneity, all are shias supporting their shiite govt...Don't tell me about North Korea and Afghanistan...they have nothing at stake......Japan is second largest economy and Americans have three major bases, Kuwait has a major base of Americans, South Korea has major presence of Americans on their soil......we have no such issue we are sovereign already..... Khan sb must be a realist not an idealist.....

Please read PTI's Economic & Foreign Policy Papers on its website, dude.

As far as Drones are concerned "Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said a year ago that the PAF is prepared to shoot US drones down and waits only for the government to give the order".

http://tribune.com.pk/story/379824/shoot-the-drones/

Bro, Lets be rational now. It would be unfair, If I assume that you would be an incapable & corrupt CSP before seeing your performance as CSP. Wouldn't it be? If you answer is affirmative then dont level any allegation against IK before his tenure commences.

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Giving him a chance? You wanna have an experiment? this isn't a laboratory, this is the matter of a country for God sake.....we can't do experiments here...for experiments we need to have all factors remain constant.....No America in Afghanistan, Expanding economy, flourishing country...then we can give him a chance and do an experiment but not now.....

May I know what options do you have except experimenting & giving chance to noble people? or You want to enthrone same PPP & PML(N) who devoured everything shamelessly?

megamind · #8 Sunday, May 05, 2013

As far as laboratory and experimenting is concerned,I guess in pakistan's history if anyone has done anything then that's experimenting ; poor people suffer
And those who boast about their experience in politics and assert that IK is naive,let me tell you that I have a close aide who used to be a jiyala but now is apolitical,told me that the typewriter of PTI's economic policy was a foreign graduate.
Apart from that,how much can it get worse more than the current situation; we are American allies but at what cost;the country bleeds everyday,so somebody got to stand::

Bilal Hassan · #9 Sunday, May 05, 2013

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Originally Posted by megamind

As far as laboratory and experimenting is concerned,I guess in pakistan's history if anyone has done anything then that's experimenting ; poor people suffer
And those who boast about their experience in politics and assert that IK is naive,let me tell you that I have a close aide who used to be a jiyala but now is apolitical,told me that the typewriter of PTI's economic policy was a foreign graduate.
Apart from that,how much can it get worse more than the current situation; we are American allies but at what cost;the country bleeds everyday,so somebody got to stand::

so that's why i say stop experimenting, at least right now we can't afford that.....I know what economic policy they have mere rhetoric nothing else.....yes the situation can't get worse than it is now but what we need is amelioration not exacerbation.....The choice has to be rational not emotional.....Khan sb would be an honest man, willing to do something for country but we do not need those who "want" to do something rather we need those who "can" do something.....

i would conclude with a quote of Aristotle meant for the youth, the spearhead support for Ik....He says "Young people often make up their mind very quickly, because they have very little to make up".

sabahatbhutta · #10 Sunday, May 05, 2013

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Originally Posted by Invincible

Politicians' Karnamas are self evident to prove their loyalty.

If karnamas are the meter to judge loyalty. Then all 20 crore people would be disloyal to Pakistan.

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Originally Posted by Invincible

Please read PTI's Economic & Foreign Policy Papers on its website, dude.

As far as Drones are concerned "Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said a year ago that the PAF is prepared to shoot US drones down and waits only for the government to give the order".

http://tribune.com.pk/story/379824/shoot-the-drones/

Bro, Lets be rational now. It would be unfair, If I assume that you would be an incapable & corrupt CSP before seeing your performance as CSP. Wouldn't it be? If you answer is affirmative then dont level any allegation against IK before his tenure commences.

After reading those economic and foreign policy journals one can easily say that IK is misleading youth by showing to them a Utopia. Emotional rhetoric of freeing the nation form American slavery, lessening Inflation and at the same providing employment opportunities with this worse global recession is impossible. Reviving Panchayat system is condemnable. What does he want to do? Does he want to implement tribal system in the entire country?
It is hilarious that we don't trust politicians but trust Army chiefs blindly.

Don't you think PAF chief lied?

:
Even the persons incompetent to be CSP are rejected.

Being PM of the country is a big task.

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Originally Posted by Invincible

May I know what options do you have except experimenting & giving chance to noble people? or You want to enthrone same PPP & PML(N) who devoured everything shamelessly?

will IK run the government alone? What team does he has? the same old, corupt machinery. Same old rotten eggs of PPP and PML-N. Dear what will you experiment? PTI is just Old wine in new bottle.

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Originally Posted by megamind

As far as laboratory and experimenting is concerned,I guess in pakistan's history if anyone has done anything then that's experimenting ; poor people suffer
And those who boast about their experience in politics and assert that IK is naive,let me tell you that I have a close aide who used to be a jiyala but now is apolitical,told me that the typewriter of PTI's economic policy was a foreign graduate.
Apart from that,how much can it get worse more than the current situation; we are American allies but at what cost;the country bleeds everyday,so somebody got to stand::

Experimentation does not mean that it would bring success with it. Moreover typewriting of economic policy by a foreign graduate does not mean it would be best of best. The mother of all evils is not being ally of Americans.. Aur bhi gham hain zamany main America k siwa...
And tell me how would IK free us form tangles of American slavery whilst we are dependent on American aid and trade? Can he bring prosperity in 2 years? I am sorry to say its not at all a pragmatic approach.

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Originally Posted by Syeda Bukhari

Sabahat as far as i know what he always means to promote is not the old jirga system but local government system. He always talks of giving rights and power at grass root level.

He used the word Panchayat system and Jirga system in his public speeches again and again. Local government system is another issue here we are concerned about the revival of Jirga system. I am afraid if IK wins what would be our fate if it falls into the hands of Panchayats and Jirgas?

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