What about 50,000+ people ruthlessly murdered by them? Were they Martians?

First of all one thing should be kept in mind, there are good and bad Taliban. Good Taliban (Haqani) do not attack Pakistan. In fact, they are given asylum in North Waziristan by the ISI who use them as a shield against India and USA; ISI don’t want to offend them by operation in N.Waziristan. But problem is that sanctuaries of TTP are also in N.W. This shows that if there is, in future, any operation it would be intelligence-based and selective. Secondly, it is ridiculous that Nawaz sahab has not even clear narrative. He is indecisive whether to go for dialogues or operation. He is, possibly, concern about public opinion. Now people are clamoring for operation in N.W and once the operation has taken place there will be massive causalities, including innocent civilians, then people, Media, and Human right Org would turn against the govt as they did after Lal Masjid operation. In fact, Army is also reluctant to do operation as General Ashfaq said we could not go for operation until public was on board.

Someone rightly said that it is not "Muzakrat" rather "Mazak Raat". Dialogue ??? Are you serious? If history is anything to go by, dialogues, started by former govt, brought no results. Recently, Taliban said they are ready for talks and at the same time attacks on innocent people are continue. Today they even said that their top leaders should be freed by Pakistani govt: so that they can start dialogues. On the other hand, Nawaz wants to negotiate. If he really wants to negotiate then why did he enact Pakistan Protection Ord (2013) amended in 2014 in which article 10 has been changed in order to detain the POW or operation for a longer period??? I am sure govt itself is confused what to do.

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Unfortunately, that is what the bigger picture is. We want peace in our country while disrupting the peace in Afghanistan. That hardly seems a realizable goal. Sooner or later chickens will come home to roost, as they already are.

I think dialogues with taliban is a good step towards peace process because the dialogue process may go right or wrong but it will certainly give us a real difference between taliban and terrorists and we will better know whether they really want Islamic shariah or they are terrorists and demand for something unconstitutional.

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Few days back, I was reading about TTP and accidentally saw the name of their quarterly magazine. I googled the name, and got the site address. I read a couple of volumes, and the only word that kept resounding in my brain was "Hypocrites"!!!! This word defines TTP the best.

Anyway, this is a separate topic of discussion.

Coming back to the topic being discussed here; the TTP clearly indicates their ideology and demands.

1) They don't accept the Constitution of Pakistan, calling it entirely unIslamic.
2) They think Pakistan Government and Army punished them for an act of extreme piety: These *innocent* guys only provided shelter to their homeless neighbours. Mulla Umer did the same when he refused to hand over Bin Laden to the US. They asked if Mulla Umer was called a Hero for doing so, then why were they termed as terrorists for the same act?
3) They call your Armed and Civil forces "Murtaddeen".
4) They openly pronounce legal rulings for the legality of killing Pakistan Armed and Civil forces (because of their *Irtidaad* i.e. apostasy).

What are their demands?
1) They want Khilafat. (So do I, but I would never kill anyone to achieve my goals).
2) They want Shariah. (Now again, I want that too. But I, by no means, want their version of Islam be imposed in my country. Why? Simple. Whatever they believe in is anything but Islam.)

Their magazine was full of hatred against Non-Muslims (Whom they repeatedly referred to as "Dhimmi"), Ahmadis, and Shiites. Where did the *Tolerance* part of Islamic teachings vanish???

In one of the volumes, they had interviewed Hakimullah Mehsud. He entirely denied any attack on innocent civilian population of Pakistan. He said that Pakistanis are their brothers, why would they kill their own brothers. This was more than enough for me to see their real face concealed behind the veils of Islam: Liars and Hypocrites.

Now how on earth would Government be able to negotiate with people who (a) don't believe in your constitution and (b) call ALLLLL of you Kuffaar and Murtaddeen?

P.S. He called Usama bin Laden "Ameer-ul-Momineen"!! (I mean, seriously dude??)

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what i bleleive is, govt is reluctant for operation because they apprehend their action might cause loss of life of the innocent people.. since TTP have no deen, they kill people savagly, their ruthless attitude has proved it recently and many years before also..
well the point is, these 'kafirs' are roaming in every nook and corner of the country.. their network id widespread all over Paki land.. if they take any action,, these cruel people would bring this country into devastation :/
may be this is the reason why Nawaz Sahab wanted to negotiate ..
correct me if im wrong

Well, the dialogue does not seem to be successful and it is mere a stepping stone towards a military offensive against the militants. The Nawaz government is actually trying to exhaust the much-hailed and supported dialogue option so that if any time, in future, it launches a military operation, no body could question it.

A million dollar question is what would be the government strategy to launch an operation in the periphery of the country?

I'm sure it cannot be a direct, large-scale offensive as the enemy is not at front combat and to counter a 'guerrilla warfare' there must be a well-designed and well-thought out strategy. For instance, selective and periodic military attacks on the well-informed targets may be pretty effective to tackle such kind of insurgency.

Let's hope for some good and timely decisions by our reluctant government to deal with the issue which is a matter of life and death for the country

I think the dialogue with Taliban is aimless and seems just diverting the minds of nation from genuine issue like energy crises, un-employement and some others, now the thing is that, if they (taliban) are asking for Shariah then first of all they should follow shariah taught by our Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Peace be Upon Him, & Shariah of Hazrat Umar Farooque and so on, Actually behind the Taliban Scene there are some other resources that are promoting the Talibanisaion in Pakistan

I do agree with you,no one can guarantee that a peaceful society will evolve after successful negotiations.More than 37 armed extremist groups are on fire in Pakisatan so peace talks with bosses will not resolve the issue

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No...
Read this column of Wusat Ullah Khan on BBC Urdu & you people will get an idea about the reality of these dialogues from a historic perspective....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2..._baat_tk.shtml

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