The earth completes its rotation in 24 hours and some minutes, and that gives day and night. m just curious to know the scientific grounds and religious explainations of two days' difference in sightning of moon in different regions.


Expecting special participation from jsmawais, khuram, impossible and khyber, but participation of all other members will be equally appreciated.



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Excellent query Qurat!

Just consider the quotation of urs "24 hours and some minutes".

Look, region vice it may be like this:

1. those(Saudi Arabia, UAE) who have celebrated Eid on Monday had seen the moon in late Sunday evening,
2. those who are celebrating Eid on Tuesday had seen it on Monday evening and
3. we(Pak, India) who are gonna celebrate Eid on Wednesday missed the moon on Tuesday night because it appeared in the late night hours over our region. So we can see moon in early evening of Tuesday.

Lets see what u ppl would comment but that is my own science...lolz.

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My DSL account is breathing its last ... Just to tell you: the fasting of NWFP government was 100% wrong. I & my whole family had a chance to see the moon on our 15-th fast. Then was federal government's 14th fast. At Sehri time, I saw the moon which was 100% FULL--NOT EVEN THE SLIGHTEST OF CUTS. It was apparent that it was a 14th moon--NOT 15th. Thus NWFP Government's fasting + Eid are both completely wrong. (I live in Peshawar, Gulbahar No. 2)

Furthermore, when moon can't be sighted--even by telescopes--on Tuesday, right here in Peshawar, how could you expect it to be a correct fasting?

The mullah of Qasim Ali Khan Mosque (1 min walk from my home) has so powerful eyes that he can see next year's Eid moon today!

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@jsmawais

I believe that Afghanis who used to live in Pk and all Pathans need to follow the govt because it is our government's responsibility. They have more powerful technology and can catch the sight of moon. We need to be united, at least. It is very ridiculous that you guys are having 3 Eids in NWFP. In fact, it has spoiled the charm of real Eid.

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@impossible

your explaination sounds good but just have a look at my point. I mentioned that the earth takes one day (24 hrs and some minutes to rotate on its axis) then the difference of the time of sightening the moon should also have been the same in case both the regions would have been on the opposite faces of the globe. But Saudi Arabia and Pakistan do not lay on the opposite faces of the globe, neither Pakistan & Indonesia and never the regions with in Pakistan (NWFP and other provinces).

Ok, i accept your explaination of time difference and regional effect for a moment then, we should have one day difference in the sightening, not that of two days.


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@jsmawais

Waiting for your details.


@Khuram

I invited your opinion also. No matter if you don't want to have your opinion on fiqh, you can enlighten us with scientific explaination of the same. And yes, what will be the effect of 'offering eid prayer thrice' on social bonds and National integrity?


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@Qurat

Can't say anything abt NWFP guys coz they and MMA are fishing in troubled waters. Well i think the remaining eplxaination need some critical reviews. Let us see what others say.

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@Qurat
well Qurat this iz a brilliant query from your side perhaps i see an image of satire in that as u pointed out the three Eids in NWFP. Impossible tried his best to satisfy u but in my opinion it has somethin to do wid Fiqah rather than science. Bcoz scientifically speaking ur query has no answer. But religiously it can be said that muslimz celebrate Eid day after havin a sight of moon and if a constituted committee doesnt recommend moon sight then Eid cant be celeberated in that particular region or country. This is exactly, wat has happened in pakistan. Fiqah in my opinion allows three witnesses for moon sight, failin to provide the requisite would cease the Eid celebrations. Correct me plz if im wrong abt No. of witnesses coz i myself iz not quiet sure abt actual numbers of witnesses for moon sight.

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@ Qurat
well Qurat if i say scientifically ur query has no answer it doesnt mean that it has absolutely no answer but my purpose was to point out that u were absolutely right in ur query as far as science iz concern and there was nuthin much left worth addition to that

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The issue of two or three Eids is actually not any new issue. Historically, people belonging to far off places have been celebrating Eids on different consecutive dates. In the olden times, means of transportation and communication were not effective. I am not sure but it seems that perhaps there was no concept of any 'centrally' administrated Eid. People used to decide existence of crescent on the basis of eye-witness reports that came from local observers and not from any central location. Once Muslims were the rulers of such centrally administered vast empire that extended from the areas of sub-continent to the extreme corners of Africa and Europe. But despite the centrally administered political setup, only the local people took decisions on the basis of eye-witness reports of local people.

Issue of science is very complicated as it involves geometrical diagrams. Generally, phases of moon are determined by the relative positions of sun, earth and moon as well as longitudinal and latitudinal differences of observes. The relative positions of sun, earth and moon are not regular on every month because of tilted axis of moon in the orbit of earth. So science allows that for an observer on particular position on earth, there can be differences of moon positions on specific dates of different months.


See following Wikipedia article for details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_the_moon


Coming back to the issue of more than one Eids. Our present day's fast means of communication has made it possible to centrally administer the Eid Occasion. National solidarity shall be affected if people belonging to different spatial locations celebrate Eid on different days despite being subject to the centrally administered policy. Because now there shall come a 'clash' between 'center' and different 'locations'.

But in case there is no central policy at all, in this case there shall be no clash between center and different locations ... so there shall be no harm to National solidarity. Remember that if people are subject to a central policy ... whereas according to local phenomenon, they observe crescent on different timing, then obviously they shall feel guilty of following that centrally administered policy.

In addition, in absence of any centrally administered policy, people would get more joy and happiness by trying to look for moon in the sky at their own. And this thing is one of the core elements of happiness and enjoyment which is associated with the event of Eid-ul-Fiter.

Historically people had been celebrating Eid on the basis of local observations. Due to the fact that means of transportation and communication were slow in those days ... so they might remain un-aware of the fact like the day when they celebrate Eid, could be different from those of others who lived on far off places. In simple words they were not so conscious of the phenomenon of 'multiple' Eids. For us it has become a hot issue because of our faster means of communication. Only solution is that we should accept the existence of this phenomenon of multiple Eids.

Thanks!

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