Monday, April 29, 2024
08:34 PM (GMT +5)

Go Back   CSS Forums > Off Topic Section > Off Topic Lounge

Reply Share Thread: Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook     Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter     Submit Thread to Google+ Google+    
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #11  
Old Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Sociologist PU's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Lahore
Posts: 1,082
Thanks: 369
Thanked 564 Times in 377 Posts
Sociologist PU is a name known to allSociologist PU is a name known to allSociologist PU is a name known to allSociologist PU is a name known to allSociologist PU is a name known to allSociologist PU is a name known to all
Default

In every profession, the first few years are difficult due to lack of experience and low income (or no income at all ).
The girls usually avoid this situation and that is why they are lagging behind in professional life, although they are better in acdamic life.
Shifting to other town after marriage also create hurdles in smooth begining of professional life for girls. Small private hospital are the only place where they can practice without the hassles of gov. service.
Lets hope the situation will improve with the changing culture of pakistani society.
__________________
/// Aur be ghum hain zamanay main muhabat kay siwa ///
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Maha Khan's Avatar
Senior Member
Qualifier: Awarded to those Members who cleared css written examination - Issue reason: CE 2009Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Punjab
Posts: 1,782
Thanks: 228
Thanked 2,339 Times in 1,259 Posts
Maha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud ofMaha Khan has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaa-Baaz View Post
Men and Women can never be equal whatever the field is, i am not focusing on medical. It does not mean that men are superior to women, not at all/

A newly appointed doctor earns 15000/- per month in govt sector.
Dear,its not the matter of superiority or inferiority...men are not superior than Women in any case,,in any field,,plaese change your mindset here...:however,both have to perform different roles in the society..and a girl can be a very good doc(as u mentioned the example of your friend's experience in your previous post)...
regards,
__________________
Fight for your dreams & your dreams will fight for you.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old Tuesday, May 18, 2010
DEADLYDOCTOR's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: R.I.P(Rest In Peace)
Posts: 742
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,143 Times in 374 Posts
DEADLYDOCTOR is just really niceDEADLYDOCTOR is just really niceDEADLYDOCTOR is just really niceDEADLYDOCTOR is just really nice
Default

problem with male-female issues is we always get into debate of who is superior and whether both are equal or not. this makes a debate/discussion useless

increasing number of girls in medical college is because of many reasons(as i mentioned above)
girls are hard working and competing in every field.

ratio of girls leaving medical field is about 50% where as male doctors ratio of leaving for css or mba or other reason is only 5-8%. it can be proved easily.

problems for girls to leave this field is mostly personal and family related.
sometimes just want to take a break for some time and that break never ends or it becomes difficult to adjust after break.a female has to look after both job and family as well.on the other hand males concentrate on job more.(unko gr ja k khana nahi pakana hota)

male being a stronger gender has certain edge.
our society ,our own thinking and some part of reality makes most believe that girls are not so capable in this field.one who does not have knowledge,either one is male or female ,is not suitable for job.
to improve knowledge girls do not get time after marriages,where as boys have many oppurtunities. its not about capability ,its about circumstances.


now increasing number of girls is in almost all fields. if one talk of capability then one can see girls competing with boys equally in all educational institutions. but when it comes to practical life,our culture put strong restrictions and there is the real flaw.
its like starting well but losing at the end.
__________________
Reality is something you rise above.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sara Pakistan...Humara Pakistan
Posts: 1,592
Thanks: 650
Thanked 795 Times in 464 Posts
Surmount is a jewel in the roughSurmount is a jewel in the roughSurmount is a jewel in the rough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaa-Baaz
Men and Women can never be equal whatever the field is, i am not focusing on medical. It does not mean that men are superior to women, not at all/

A newly appointed doctor earns 15000/- per month in govt sector.
I think, in this post, the member tried to say that male and female are not equal which means quite different from each other. Both of the gender are perfectionists in their shoes. As he elaborated (or tried to) in the next part of his statement.

Quote:
It does not mean that men are superior to women, not at all/
@ The owner of the post

Am I wrong?
__________________
~Time owns each and everything~
~Useless youth if not useful for Pakistan~
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: LAHORE PAKISTAN
Posts: 34
Thanks: 10
Thanked 12 Times in 7 Posts
Unique is on a distinguished road
Default

I really condemn the kind of thinking some of the CSS aspirants are showing here. Girls are increasing in numbers in medical colleges, first of all do not forget that girls/women form 55% of the total population of Pakistan and even this female population is on rise. Secondly, medicine and teaching are perhaps the only two professions that are considered suitable in this male dominant society of ours. Girls are always underprivilged. They have to make sacrifices for their brothers, father and husband. Girls are deprived of their legal part in inheritance even today in Pakistan. Women form an underprivileged section of our society. If gender balance in medical colleges is tilted towards females then what about engineering, accounting and business studies. In most of engineering programmes, there are only 1-2% girl students. It does not mean that women cannot compete with men in these fields. It's our thinking, our inclination, our social and cultural behaviours and our psychological attitude towards women that inhibits them to excel in these so-called men owned fields. Women are harassed in these manly fields, so their families are reluctant to let them join them.
Girl students are today more hardworking as compared to males and they get admission in med colleges by dint of their hardwork. Since the system adopted for admissions in medical colleges is transparent so we should have no problem with anybody's gender.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old Wednesday, May 19, 2010
Muser's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 101
Thanks: 153
Thanked 54 Times in 34 Posts
Muser is on a distinguished road
Default

A lot has already been discussed, I'll add a few things.

In our social setup, their roles & priorities drastically differ from ours as they graduate, so they can't be blamed much.

Our success can be gauged by many a things but theirs is always by their family obligations, marriage & kids. With the exception of very few motivated female doctors, most of them prefer to adopt the usual eastern married life style.

In the past and as per our observation about female doctors, continuance of the medical career has been endured by either those getting married late/not at all, or by those facing some financial strains during their married life.

But trends are changing now, more female doctors are coming in to pursue career ahead, but still their prime priority remains their families and thats the way it should be.
__________________
Don't trust your heart, its not on the right side.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old Wednesday, May 19, 2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Lahore
Posts: 27
Thanks: 27
Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts
Black Coffee is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaa-Baaz View Post
The monopoly of female doctors is in gynaecology. One of my friends is MBBS doctor and anesthetist. He says that this is an alarming situation that we have girls and only girls in this field. They even don't know the Bishop Score.
Many times he is called for anesthesia by the female doctors yelling on phones "hurry up the patient is serious".
When he enters in OT, there is normal delivery.
Then he yells on them ' are you doctors , you don't know even the Bishop Score
Lolz...Thats funny!!!and unbelievable!!!
I am sure its only a rare occurence.The vast majority of lady gynaecologists is familiar with the term.



I am not going into the implications of girls outnumbering boys in medical colleges.You all have dwelled on that pretty well.
Now if you look at this trend,its very easy to explain it by considering the gender differences in the anatomy of the human brain.....
The difference in the anatomy of the male and female brain explains why we see girls opting for the medical profession and boys taking up technical career paths.There is growing evidence from research that men and women differ in the amounts of gray and white matter....Men have 6.5 times more gray matter related to general intelligence than women while women have 10 times more white matter related to general intelligence...That is NOT to say that women are any less intelligent than men.That isn't quite what it is.It only means that women are better at tasks that require integrating and assimilating information.Since getting into a medical school requires a lot of memorising in the years leading up to it,women are better able to do that because the anatomy of their cortex is better suited for the task.
Men,on the other hand,excel at tasks that require processing of information..for eg,mathematics and the technical stuff because grey matter represents information processing centers.
So that makes it easier to explain why we see girls flocking to the medical profession.
As far as this topic is concerned...I don't why there is so much concern over it.By no means ic this a downhill trend.I mean,considering the demographics of Pakistan's population,its a positive sign that women(who constitute more than half of our population)are making use of their existence instead of sitting around idle.
And who said tht medical profession for girls does not sit well with family life????Things are changing really fast in our part of the world.People are increasingly becoming aware of the fact that we are living in the days of economic recession.They are increasingly waking up to the fact that single-handed earning is simply not going to get them a decent living.More and more women are beginning to take their careers seriously.Look around you and believe me it won't take you long to see this trend emerging.

Last edited by Andrew Dufresne; Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 03:30 AM. Reason: Merged
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old Wednesday, May 19, 2010
dr tariq's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: lahore king edward hostel
Posts: 8
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
dr tariq is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Coffee View Post
Lolz...Thats funny!!!and unbelievable!!!
I am sure its only a rare occurence.The vast majority of lady gynaecologists is familiar with the term.



I am not going into the implications of girls outnumbering boys in medical colleges.You all have dwelled on that pretty well.
Now if you look at this trend,its very easy to explain it by considering the gender differences in the anatomy of the human brain.....
The difference in the anatomy of the male and female brain explains why we see girls opting for the medical profession and boys taking up technical career paths.There is growing evidence from research that men and women differ in the amounts of gray and white matter....Men have 6.5 times more gray matter related to general intelligence than women while women have 10 times more white matter related to general intelligence...That is NOT to say that women are any less intelligent than men.That isn't quite what it is.It only means that women are better at tasks that require integrating and assimilating information.Since getting into a medical school requires a lot of memorising in the years leading up to it,women are better able to do that because the anatomy of their cortex is better suited for the task.
Men,on the other hand,excel at tasks that require processing of information..for eg,mathematics and the technical stuff because grey matter represents information processing centers.
So that makes it easier to explain why we see girls flocking to the medical profession.
As far as this topic is concerned...I don't why there is so much concern over it.By no means ic this a downhill trend.I mean,considering the demographics of Pakistan's population,its a positive sign that women(who constitute more than half of our population)are making use of their existence instead of sitting around idle.
And who said tht medical profession for girls does not sit well with family life????Things are changing really fast in our part of the world.People are increasingly becoming aware of the fact that we are living in the days of economic recession.They are increasingly waking up to the fact that single-handed earning is simply not going to get them a decent living.More and more women are beginning to take their careers seriously.Look around you and believe me it won't take you long to see this trend emerging.
DEAR LOOK this is not a matter of superiority of inferiority of a gender its realy a genuine issue,,,and as far as BLACK COFFEE is concerned you are just going to complicate the issue man....for your very kind information the trend has just changed in the last 4 TO 5 years the GIRLS ARE almost double in numbers....and if the issue would have been with GRAY AND WHITE matter THIS TREND WOULD HAVE STARTED since very long....AND as far as MAHA IS CONCERNED......LOOK you need not to be emotional...their is not even a single percent matter of superiority of inferiority its just a worrying factor in a real sense when we see the girls sitting in their homes at least 50 percent<but i think more>>dr ferhan<DEADLY DOCTOR>>SUGGESTED it be to 50 percent.....after competing so tough tenure of their studied and that too casting too much to govt per student......its appreciated that they must come to medical field even more than what they are today but they must also think what is their contribution in this field.they must contribute to the nation....GIRLS MUST THINK
__________________
~~~~~A SUCCESSFUL MAN IS ONE WHO CAN LAY A FIRM FOUNDATION WITH THE BRICKS THAT OTHERS THROW AT HIM~~~~~~
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old Wednesday, May 19, 2010
Shaa-Baaz's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Maa k Kadmo Taley
Posts: 509
Thanks: 68
Thanked 729 Times in 280 Posts
Shaa-Baaz is a jewel in the roughShaa-Baaz is a jewel in the roughShaa-Baaz is a jewel in the roughShaa-Baaz is a jewel in the rough
Default

@ surmount
You are right.

@ Maha khan

You have taken it amiss.
__________________
●๋• ●๋• τнαπκz FΘг Reading my profile ●๋• ●๋•
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old Wednesday, May 19, 2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Lahore
Posts: 27
Thanks: 27
Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts
Black Coffee is on a distinguished road
Default

@dr tariq
I can guess what might have happened over the last 4-5 yrs....The grey matter suddenly got more grey and the white matter got more white!!!!!!!

Okay,jokes apart.I think this has to do with the cumulative effect of a lot of factors that are at work.For instance,our society puts a premium on the med profession for girls.A lot of people believe that its the most appropriate career path for girls.There is no denying the fact that parents(at least some of them)push their daughters towards the med side,thinking its best for their daughter to be a doctor than anything else.

The anatomy factor that I talked about is only a piece in the jigsaw puzzle.Of course it doesn't entirely explain the scenario.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
development of pakistan press since 1947 Janeeta Journalism & Mass Communication 15 Tuesday, May 05, 2020 03:04 AM
Pakistan's History From 1947-till present Sumairs Pakistan Affairs 13 Sunday, October 27, 2019 02:55 PM
Developmental psychology by sarfraz ahmad mayo sarfrazmayo Psychology 2 Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:33 PM
Solved Everyday Science Papers Dilrauf General Science & Ability 4 Friday, April 08, 2011 06:10 PM
Essay on "Women and Conversion to Islam" Perhar Essay 2 Monday, April 19, 2010 03:42 AM


CSS Forum on Facebook Follow CSS Forum on Twitter

Disclaimer: All messages made available as part of this discussion group (including any bulletin boards and chat rooms) and any opinions, advice, statements or other information contained in any messages posted or transmitted by any third party are the responsibility of the author of that message and not of CSSForum.com.pk (unless CSSForum.com.pk is specifically identified as the author of the message). The fact that a particular message is posted on or transmitted using this web site does not mean that CSSForum has endorsed that message in any way or verified the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. We encourage visitors to the forum to report any objectionable message in site feedback. This forum is not monitored 24/7.

Sponsors: ArgusVision   vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.