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I am a female and I belong to a backward village of Punjab. I am studying Mass Communication (tools of Satan) . I do believe in women empowerment and I want that every girl of my village gets equal education and health facilities. I want that no one can rape them or abuse them just because they are girls. I don't want that son or daughter of a "Kami" always remain uneducated. I wrote for an Indian Newspaper too. People from all religions and ideologies are my friends; Muslims, Hindus, atheists , feminists , secular, orthodox etc. I like Obama as compared to Romney. Now KILL ME TOO
i need not kill you or any one else, you are just like a sister to me, what i want to say is that we must give the women the rights as allowed by Islam, if you want more than that, you are crossing the limits and verily Allah does not like those who exceed their limits, our sisters must get good education but be not given excessive freedom that can do damage to our entire society...i hope now you get my point...
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@ Bilal Hassan! Dear the question is not what she wrote or recorded to BBC was correct or not. It is. You would gun down or blow up anyone who does not subscribe to what you believe in? Respect for difference of others opinion, or ideals or beliefs is very much emphasized in Islam.
it has got nothing to do with my opinion, it is what Islam says...the things that Islam has prohibited, there is no room for opinions, you have to restrain from it...
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what the hell has she done great? i mean if writing a piece of crap in BBC championing their cause is Good job done, then how on Earth could you call yourself Muslims? She was a mere puppet in the hands of US and other western powers, she was a Pakhtoon Muslim girl and still she was asking for "Western style Woman Empowerment" and her Favourite personality is Barrack Obama, knowing the cunt head Americans are slaining the innocent People in both Afghanistan and Tribal Belt, Predator Strikes kill innocent children.....
I personally am not in favour of giving the rights to women that are not in harmony with Islamic norms.....
i agree with you the main problem in our society is that they like hearing and believing what the idiot box tells them to do and believe , Islam has never been against the education of women rather it emphasizes on education conforming with the injunctions of Islam , where on the other hand miss malala compare beard men with pharaoh`s men making mockery of the veil and comparing it to some kind of jail this is not what education teaches us (to defile islam). this is not what a Muslim should represent about his religion if people are so fed up of Islam why don't they leave it why blame Islam when you lack in abiding its rules
and not that i favour killing innocent girl or for that matter any innocent human being
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i need not kill you or any one else, you are just like a sister to me, what i want to say is that we must give the women the rights as allowed by Islam, if you want more than that, you are crossing the limits and verily Allah does not like those who exceed their limits, our sisters must get good education but be not given excessive freedom that can do damage to our entire society...i hope now you get my point...
Tell me when and how Malala exceeded the limits ? Can you also explain the word "Limits" . For me Islam is the only religion which bestowed so many rights to women and which empowered them more than any other religion. My religion liberates me. I never thought that Islam is going to be a hurdle in my dreams . how on earth empowered women are going to damage the fabric of society ??
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Tell me when and how Malala exceeded the limits ? Can you also explain the word "Limits" . For me Islam is the only religion which bestowed so many rights to women and which empowered them more than any other religion. My religion liberates me. I never thought that Islam is going to be a hurdle in my dreams . how on earth empowered women are going to damage the fabric of society ??
true that girl....and i can only mourn on the thinking of people who thinks and promote the stereotypical, gender biased and discriminatory ideas, and to be on the safe side they use Islam as a shield.... Islam have given right of education and movement to every "HUMAN BEING "... i do not understand why people want to exclude women of this term....dont give them women rights but atleast give them human rights
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it has got nothing to do with my opinion, it is what Islam says...the things that Islam has prohibited, there is no room for opinions, you have to restrain from it...
Ironic that you gave your opinion and then tell others 'its final, there is no more room for opinion now'. Should it be taken like you are the only one to opine and everyone should adhere to how you interpret Islam. How much do you know about Islam's religious and political belief system and Islam's social laws. Holy Prophet (SAW) himself considered opinions of others, infact early Islamic state's success was due to the institution of Ijmah, Ijtihad and Qayas (something related to 'opinion') and lateron those who held bigoted and dogmatic political views as yours caused the decline of great Islamic civilization. Who are you to tell there is no more room for opinion. Islam makes everyone equal under blessings of Allah (SWT), there is no room for 'clergy' to have special relationship with God in Islam, this happens in other religions. Serious reconsideration of religious attitude is required on your part dear brother.
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i agree with you the main problem in our society is that they like hearing and believing what the idiot box tells them to do and believe , Islam has never been against the education of women rather it emphasizes on education conforming with the injunctions of Islam , where on the other hand miss malala compare beard men with pharaoh`s men making mockery of the veil and comparing it to some kind of jail this is not what education teaches us (to defile islam). this is not what a Muslim should represent about his religion if people are so fed up of Islam why don't they leave it why blame Islam when you lack in abiding its rules
and not that i favour killing innocent girl or for that matter any innocent human being
Thanks Shahzad for your support, i knew i am going to face fierce criticism from people, but only you came out to give me little boost..Thanx for that..
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Tell me when and how Malala exceeded the limits ? Can you also explain the word "Limits" . For me Islam is the only religion which bestowed so many rights to women and which empowered them more than any other religion. My religion liberates me. I never thought that Islam is going to be a hurdle in my dreams . how on earth empowered women are going to damage the fabric of society ??
An Abstract from Malala's diary that he used to write for BBC under pseudonym Gul Makai, "we want to live a life of freedom, we want education so that we can enjoy the freedom as enjoyed by the western women, we cannot waste our life in the prison of veil and we have to fight the Taliban who want us, the women of swat, stay at homes and do the ordinary chores, we want to change the world, commander Khalil says that Taliban are working for the cause of good but our good remains in our own hands"
Sister now you understand why i oppose her..I have no personal accounts with that girl to be settled and squared...i just oppose her thinking...
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true that girl....and i can only mourn on the thinking of people who thinks and promote the stereotypical, gender biased and discriminatory ideas, and to be on the safe side they use Islam as a shield.... Islam have given right of education and movement to every "HUMAN BEING "... i do not understand why people want to exclude women of this term....dont give them women rights but atleast give them human rights
we are living in a Muslim country, Almighty Allah does not want us to do things that we as a Muslim are not supposed to do...Sister i would again say that i am in favor of barricading the women at homes but they must realize their duties...Islam has given the women freedom that none other religion has given to its followers but freedom comes with some restrictions lest all things should go awry.....
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Ironic that you gave your opinion and then tell others 'its final, there is no more room for opinion now'. Should it be taken like you are the only one to opine and everyone should adhere to how you interpret Islam. How much do you know about Islam's religious and political belief system and Islam's social laws. Holy Prophet (SAW) himself considered opinions of others, infact early Islamic state's success was due to the institution of Ijmah, Ijtihad and Qayas (something related to 'opinion') and lateron those who held bigoted and dogmatic political views as yours caused the decline of great Islamic civilization. Who are you to tell there is no more room for opinion. Islam makes everyone equal under blessings of Allah (SWT), there is no room for 'clergy' to have special relationship with God in Islam, this happens in other religions. Serious reconsideration of religious attitude is required on your part dear brother.
and you have some problem dear, it wasn't a complex or enigmatic thing that i said, don't try to bully me.....you did not (or could not) get the essence of my whole idea, i meant to say that there are certain things in Islam where there is no room for discussion or opinion, as Allah himself has sealed the topic, and if you still discuss then mad dog does bites his tail, keep discussing, your discussing these issues won't change the Islamic code of Life...

People you have to see the things from wider perspective, there have been thousands of Malala that have been raped and killed by Indians, Israelis, Burmese in Kashimr, Palestine and Burma respectively and not to forget the ones killed in Afghanistan in Air strikes by Daisy cutters, ISAF simply calls it collateral Damage...why not hue and cry by the Western and so called National Media on all these issues...Is Malala worth the Thousands of innocent MUslims? when i see around, i get the resounding Yes, true but unfortunate...
Now why Americans are so anxious about Malala, because when their pressurizing General Kayani by sending bunch of Important people like ISAF commanders and even chief of American CENTCOM (Central command) to push him start operation in North Waziristan did not bear the fruit, they planted that seed and now they are reaping the fruit.....They are succeeding...our 24 soldiers are not even worth MAlala, they were killed because Pak Army did not accede to American wish to launch Assault in North Waziristan...
today i saw banners on roads asking Pak Army to start operation ASAP by Human rights organizations, Americans on one hand planned her attempt of Assassination while on the other hand activated and mobilized their people in Media and Civil society to demand Crack down on Haqqani Network which is an asset of ISI and a shield against the American hegemony...
People don't keep your eyes closed, this is a conspiracy against our national integrity and sovereignty, please awake...

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I personally am not in favour of giving the rights to women that are not in harmony with Islamic norms.....
whereas you didnot define what are Islamic norms, clear bigotry. If you want to condone attack on a 14 year old girl, say it clearly, don't twist words and confuse things.
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Ironic that you gave your opinion and then tell others 'its final, there is no more room for opinion now'. Should it be taken like you are the only one to opine and everyone should adhere to how you interpret Islam. How much do you know about Islam's religious and political belief system and Islam's social laws. Holy Prophet (SAW) himself considered opinions of others, infact early Islamic state's success was due to the institution of Ijmah, Ijtihad and Qayas (something related to 'opinion') and lateron those who held bigoted and dogmatic political views as yours caused the decline of great Islamic civilization. Who are you to tell there is no more room for opinion. Islam makes everyone equal under blessings of Allah (SWT), there is no room for 'clergy' to have special relationship with God in Islam, this happens in other religions. Serious reconsideration of religious attitude is required on your part dear brother.
mohammad kashif you know whats ironic . ironic is that a girl who doesn't know iota about the Islamic way of life and culture is giving opinion about Islam . her diary is based on the mere observations that she had during the short period of Taliban in swat . and that doesn't represent the whole face of Islam .
have you ever thought why this media is going hyperbole about malala when hundreds are killed every day by american drones . because they consider her to be carriyer of their cause . first of all we should know that Islam is not just something that you keep in drawer and when you need you take it out it is a way of life a whole code of living. if one take out even a small part of it the rest of it will collapse .and the western and locale media is trying to do exactly this they want to take out the every day aspect of Islam and reduce it to mere cupboard religion
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An Abstract from Malala's diary that he used to write for BBC under pseudonym Gul Makai, "we want to live a life of freedom, we want education so that we can enjoy the freedom as enjoyed by the western women, we cannot waste our life in the prison of veil and we have to fight the Taliban who want us, the women of swat, stay at homes and do the ordinary chores, we want to change the world, commander Khalil says that Taliban are working for the cause of good but our good remains in our own hands"
Sister now you understand why i oppose her..I have no personal accounts with that girl to be settled and squared...i just oppose her thinking...
What is wrong in this passage? She was 12 years old when she wrote it. She didn't want to wear veil at that time and no one can force her to do so. She was only 12 when she decided to fight and she challenge the stereotypical mind set that girls are only made for doing house chores and nothing else. Actually this is what bothering all of you.
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People you have to see the things from wider perspective, there have been thousands of Malala that have been raped and killed by Indians, Israelis, Burmese in Kashimr, Palestine and Burma respectively and not to forget the ones killed in Afghanistan in Air strikes by Daisy cutters, ISAF simply calls it collateral Damage...why not hue and cry by the Western and so called National Media on all these issues...Is Malala worth the Thousands of innocent MUslims? when i see around, i get the resounding Yes, true but unfortunate...
Now why Americans are so anxious about Malala, because when their pressurizing General Kayani by sending bunch of Important people like ISAF commanders and even chief of American CENTCOM (Central command) to push him start operation in North Waziristan did not bear the fruit, they planted that seed and now they are reaping the fruit.....They are succeeding...our 24 soldiers are not even worth MAlala, they were killed because Pak Army did not accede to American wish to launch Assault in North Waziristan...
today i saw banners on roads asking Pak Army to start operation ASAP by Human rights organizations, Americans on one hand planned her attempt of Assassination while on the other hand activated and mobilized their people in Media and Civil society to demand Crack down on Haqqani Network which is an asset of ISI and a shield against the American hegemony...
People don't keep your eyes closed, this is a conspiracy against our national integrity and sovereignty, please awake...
The whole nation is praying for Malala because she is our sister and daughter. We all own her. Nothing on earth can justify the killing of an innocent girl. If any religion any constituion endores such act then in the words of Jalib

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Main Nahi Janta, Main Nahi Manta.


And people please look around you. Don't forget that Pak Army raped thousand of Bangaldeshi women. Don't forget that thousand of girls are killed and raped on the Name of Islam in Pakistan.

Don't ever try to call her an agent or justify this brutal act. It has nothing to do with the foreign policy of Pakistan. Stop spreading rumours. In fact you guys are afraid to name the culprits. Don't use Islam to hide your fears.
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