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There is a difference in Taliban.

1- TTP(agents who after afghan war sold themselves for dollars)

2- Afghan Taliban Mullah Umar Group (Mujahideen)

TTP(supported by CIA and RAW) is made for the specific purpose of destabilizing Pakistan and defame the image of Taliban. Salala checkpost attack was deliberately made because these check posts were a big hindrance for insurgents in Pakistan. And till then Pak Army had cleared that area from TTP so it was necessary for US to insert more agents so that they can claim rights for drone attacks and staying in Afghanistan for a longer period.

US is facing severe consequences in Afghanistan due to Afghan Taliban and not due to TTP. TTP has never supported Pakistan but Afghan Taliban are supporting Pakistan and in return Pak Army is also supporting them (Haqqani Network).

It's very easy for people in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Karachi to think of the Taliban in Afghanistan as some heroes or holy warriors because they are not aware of all the facts.


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Children of policeman who refused to quit killed by militants

.. two schoolchildren including a nine-year-old girl were shot dead by militants in Afghanistan after their father refused to quit his job as a policeman, officials said Sunday. Henna and her 16-year-old brother Zelgai were killed by two gunmen on motorcycles late on Saturday while in their father’s car in the Edgah area of Ghazni province, in the south of the country.

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Taliban swoop on party and behead 17... for dancing: Women among victims killed for breaking 'law'

The Taliban beheaded 17 people in a remote corner of southern Afghanistan – apparently for attending a party.

Two of the victims were women and all were described as ‘civilians’.

Source: Daily Mail

These are only two recent reports. The "good" Taliban have killed thousands of civilians with their IEDs and they've blown up hundreds of schools and government buildings. They've also attacked mosques and marketplaces several times.

Now which code of Jihad allows a person to behead women, murder children, bomb mosques and bazaars and plant explosives in street corners? The only difference is when someone does it in Lahore, he is a terrorist. But when someone burns Kabul to the ground, he is a holy warrior, a hero.

The Pashtun people have suffered horrendously at the hands of these Taliban on both sides of the Durand Line. Please do not insult their memory by calling their murders "Mujahideen".

Another aspect of our national thought is "denial-ism". Instead of accepting that the TTP's ideology is the product of our own Soviet Jihad policy and Zia's rule, we take away all the blame from ourselves and our security establishment and put all the blame on India and Israel. It's time to grow up now.
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Soften your tone and watch your words. You are trying to sound as if you are the only intellectual and knowledgeable person present here. This can easily be seen in most of your posts in many threads. You are igniting the fire by your impolite words. Be careful in future.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend.
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And all I'm asking is that you stop defending these savages. You mentioned Qari Hussain, who I'm sure you are aware is also known as Ustad i Fadyeen, the architect of suicide bombing in Pakistan (btw he was killed in a drone strike) and we all know the damage caused by Baitullah Mehsud. But if you want to defend the Taliban in light of a few absurd statements that they've made in the past, then its your choice and by all means keep doing so. In the coming week or so, we'll probably know if someone other than the Taliban was involved.

As for the links between TTP and its Swat chapter, they were/are different entities but with a high level of cooperation, not just a "few links". You are right in saying that the TTP proper was never operating in Swat (since the TTP-Swat was a separate entity), but their ability to carry out a attack on a school girl is not to be doubted. In fact, I believe this is a much easier way to spread fear since their infrastructure in the area (or the lack thereof) and the army presence there does not allow them to carry out a major attack, run any large rackets etc etc.
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If you equate an unbiased proper investigation to defending the Taliban, then I really cant do anything to help you. If I really get down to defending the Taliban then you wont be left with a leg to stand on. Just one argument from the proverbial defendant's counsel would be sufficient: When an admission of guilt is made out of court, it is hearsay because it was not made under oath and not subject to cross-examination, and hearsay cannot be used as evidence in a trial because of its unreliable nature. You have no murder weapon and the person who fired the shots is missing. Hence no way to link the crime to Taliban other than their admission, which, as I have already explained, is technically hearsay. So Taliban get to go free despite their admission of guilt.

Just to let you know, Taliban's lawyers have actually used this kind, and similar legal intricacies in Pakistani courts successfully to get their clients out of jail many times. There is a need to update law of evidence, penal code, introduce a Witness Protection Program similar to the one run by US Marshals etc. etc. to actually get these savages convicted. Some work is being done but its too slow. Every minute there is a loophole in the law, some terrorist gets to slip through it.

BTW, even if the Taliban actually did it, TTP's confession is most probably still horse crap since it doesn't operate in Swat. Its most probably just trying to get some more brownie points. But if the now almost defunct/exiled TTS did it, then why haven't they claimed responsibility yet? So maybe TTP did do it. Or maybe, as I suggested earlier, someone else had a motive. Criminal investigation starts from finding a motive for the crime. Sure Taliban had a motive, but maybe someone else had a motive too. You know, when there was a culture of "bori bund lashain" in Karachi in the 90s, and the automatic blame went to MQM for every bori found, some people settled their old personal scores and packed the dead bodies of their rivals in bags and left them in streets like the terrorist's MO to get the blame off of their chest and to conveniently guide the police in the wrong direction. If the Police had not investigated properly in some of these cases, we would never have found out that this actually happened. This is why an unbiased, proper and multifaceted investigation is necessary. Investigating authorities need to dig in deep to find the truth.

But if you believe that wild chest thumping against Taliban will get you to the truth, then by all means keep doing it. Doesn't bother me.
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Just one argument from the proverbial defendant's counsel would be sufficient: When an admission of guilt is made out of court, it is hearsay because it was not made under oath and not subject to cross-examination, and hearsay cannot be used as evidence in a trial because of its unreliable nature. You have no murder weapon and the person who fired the shots is missing. Hence no way to link the crime to Taliban other than their admission, which, as I have already explained, is technically hearsay. So Taliban get to go free despite their admission of guilt.
Civil laws can hardly be used in a state of war (which Pakistan is in). As you've yourself pointed out, new legislation is required and the irony is that most countries have enacted laws to deal with these things, but Pakistan hasn't, although it is perhaps the most affected country. Anyways, these laws can not be applied to enemy combatants and there is ample evidence to suggest that the Pakistani Army doesn't much care for legal issues while dealing with the TTP and other such organizations. It is of course, extremely unfortunate that those who get arrested often go free (except the ones who are kept in secret detention). The Fair Trail Act should solve some of these problems though. Finally, there are some exceptions to the hearsay rule, but I don't have enough knowledge of Pakistani law to comment on that.


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But if the now almost defunct/exiled TTS did it, then why haven't they claimed responsibility yet? So maybe TTP did do it. Or maybe, as I suggested earlier, someone else had a motive.
I still maintain that the TTP possesses the capability to carry out such an attack. Of course, only time will tell which one of us is correct

On a side note, Rehman Malik claims to have identified the attackers, but he hasn't "exposed" them yet. I really wonder when he'll expose all the things he's promised to expose lol...
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Exclamation Condemn attack on Malala & her Friends!

Woh Jo bachion se bhi dar gaye
Woh Jo ilm se bhi gurez pa
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I condemn the brutal attack on Malala and two other friends of her. I denounce the sick mindset that conceived and executed it. I pray for their quick and complete recovery. Live Long our young She-roes!

I would also like to request all the respected forum members to register their protest against terrorist attack on the young peace activist here.


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May Allah bless her and her friends with health and long life and May all girls in Pakistan follow her footsteps. She is a symbol of courage and determination for me. Talking about human rights and women right is a sin here but she courageously committed that sin and paid for it with her blood.
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what the hell has she done great? i mean if writing a piece of crap in BBC championing their cause is Good job done, then how on Earth could you call yourself Muslims? She was a mere puppet in the hands of US and other western powers, she was a Pakhtoon Muslim girl and still she was asking for "Western style Woman Empowerment" and her Favourite personality is Barrack Obama, knowing the Americans are slaining the innocent People in both Afghanistan and Tribal Belt, Predator Strikes kill innocent children.....
I personally am not in favour of giving the rights to women that are not in harmony with Islamic norms.....

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I am a female and I belong to a backward village of Punjab. I am studying Mass Communication (tools of Satan) . I do believe in women empowerment and I want that every girl of my village gets equal education and health facilities. I want that no one can rape them or abuse them just because they are girls. I don't want that son or daughter of a "Kami" always remain uneducated. I wrote for an Indian Newspaper too. People from all religions and ideologies are my friends; Muslims, Hindus, atheists , feminists , secular, orthodox etc. I like Obama as compared to Romney. Now kill me too
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@ Bilal Hassan! Dear the question is not what she wrote or recorded to BBC was correct or not. It is. You would gun down or blow up anyone who does not subscribe to what you believe in? Respect for difference of others opinion, or ideals or beliefs is very much emphasized in Islam.
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