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I guess we should raise our hands and pray for recovery and good health of our sister (Malala ) instead of getting into debate at this point of time.


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But I have a gut feeling that this attack was not done by them regardless of their claims. TTP, whose spokesperson Ahsan Ullah Ahsan accepted the responsibility for the attack, doesn't have jurisdiction or any means to penetrate Swat for this kind of a targeted attack.
Your gut feeling counts for nothing because the TTP has already accepted responsibility. And their ability to attack a little girl is not to be doubted when they have been fighting the Pak Army for years. Also please enlighten us as to where Ehsanullah Ehsan does have jurisdiction (do you even know the meaning of jurisdiction)?

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Tehreek-e-Taliban Swat was and still is an independent chapter. They may have links with TTP and other Taliban factions but they are a different entity. Furthermore, its not their MO. They like to do bomb blasts, suicide attacks, trucks filled with bombs, IEDs etc. Simple firing is not something they like. Stupid Taliban spokesperson even accepted the responsibility for some random shooting in USA a few yeas back, later it turned out that the guy who did the shooting was some random nut job from Vietnam.
This is not some "stupid" small -time spokesperson of the Taliban. Ehsanullah Ehsan is the official spokesperson of the TTP and has routinely issued statements about various things on their behalf.
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So who did it? My guess is someone who is jealous of Malala to the point of wanting to kill her. Some relative who is angry at her rise to fame. Their thinking: why her? why not my daughter?
I'm sorry, you are not a Taliban apologist. You, sir, are a Diehard Taliban apologist, refusing to blame them even when have agreed to the shooting.

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Such things don`t need to be proven my friend, they just need some common sense.
They do. You have made a claim without any evidence and the burden of proof is on you.

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Why TTP is not acting against India?
This argument shows your mental capacity. Its the same as saying "the TTP isn't acting against Zimbabwe therefore they are funded by Zimbabweans.


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TTP has claimed only those bombings and killings that have been in Pakistan neither in Afghanistan nor in USA nor in India.
Duh! Its the Tehrik E Taliban PAKISTAN genius and carries out terrorism in, guess what? Pakistan!

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History speaks itself and history needs not to be just read, but analysis and lessons should be the prime objective of studying anything.
An abstract statement of no value. You just wrote it down to look like an intellecuall.


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Why TTP mehsood group bought children for 14000 USD for suicide attacks? If they were Afghan Taliban they could have done it in Afghan currency.. right?
Oh my god, you are right! The Taliban would never deal in zionist dollars /sarcasm:end

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And I have more information for you.. Russia and Iran are also supporting Afghan Taliban not TTP because Afghan Taliban are the only resistance to US in this region.
And I have more information for you; I was recently declared the Emperor of Mars.

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So my friend broaden your view and analyze the Game. The Real Game is between US and Russia. US wants central asian energy resources and destabilization of only nuclear power in Islamic block whereas Russia cannot tolerate US plans to stay in the region and consume their energy resources of Central Asia. Pakistan, Russia, China and Iran have the same goal a little bit and they do not want US to stay in the region whereas India, US and Europe have the goals opposite to ours.
The real game is that Taliban supporters like you have brought this country to the brink of destruction.

These are just recent examples...
Answer only this..

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What will be the purpose of Salala Check post attack???
In fact, you tell me what you think the purpose was? It would be definately fun to hear Caliph Zaidu's thoughts on this method.
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I don`t mind that because my theory is the theory of think tanks.
Think tanks like Caliph Zaid Bin Hamid Ibn Qasim?

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Even I would say a little common sense will be enough.
You, sir, are desperately in need of it.
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Exactly... The common man is not presented all the information. It takes a little over-thinking to understand the GAME.
In your case, it seems you have done too much "over-thinking"...

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They do. You have made a claim without any evidence and the burden of proof is on you.



This argument shows your mental capacity. Its the same as saying "the TTP isn't acting against Zimbabwe therefore they are funded by Zimbabweans.




Duh! Its the Tehrik E Taliban PAKISTAN genius and carries out terrorism in, guess what? Pakistan!



An abstract statement of no value. You just wrote it down to look like an intellecuall.




Oh my god, you are right! The Taliban would never deal in zionist dollars /sarcasm:end



And I have more information for you; I was recently declared the Emperor of Mars.



The real game is that Taliban supporters like you have brought this country to the brink of destruction.

These are just recent examples...
Answer only this..


In fact, you tell me what you think the purpose was? It would be definately fun to hear Caliph Zaidu's thoughts on this method.

Think tanks like Caliph Zaid Bin Hamid Ibn Qasim?


You, sir, are desperately in need of it.


In your case, it seems you have done too much "over-thinking"...
War on terror is a fake war and bluntly speaking it`s war of energy resources of central asia. And I don`t know the person you mentioned in your post. It is better, not to answer and let the time answer this.
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It is better, not to answer and let the time answer this.
Time has been speaking for quite some time now; the country is burning.
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Your gut feeling counts for nothing because the TTP has already accepted responsibility. And their ability to attack a little girl is not to be doubted when they have been fighting the Pak Army for years.
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This is not some "stupid" small -time spokesperson of the Taliban. Ehsanullah Ehsan is the official spokesperson of the TTP and has routinely issued statements about various things on their behalf.
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Also please enlighten us as to where Ehsanullah Ehsan does have jurisdiction (do you even know the meaning of jurisdiction)?
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I'm sorry, you are not a Taliban apologist. You, sir, are a Diehard Taliban apologist, refusing to blame them even when have agreed to the shooting
What a classic trolling reply. Picking up a line or two from my answers, twist their meaning and trying to make yourself look good instead of reading things in context. But I'll try to make things simple for you this one time.

So going by your logic, any person, who accepts responsibility for any crime without there being any proof of his involvement in it, should be hanged or jailed without any investigation or trial. Good. Don't know what you're high on. But by all means, keep at it. Doesn't bother me in the least. My only hope is that you never end up becoming involved in the Judicial system or Police Force of Pakistan with this low level of mental capacity and understanding of things like proper investigation and law.

Forget about Ehsan Ullah Ehsan, Baituallah Mehsud himself claimed responsibility for the 2009 New York attack which killed 14 people. The FBI in this case did a proper investigation (Ever heard of this word? doesn't seem like it) and not only rejected Baituallah Mehsud's claim, but also found the real shooter and his motivations; a disgruntled Vietnamese immigrant, Jiverly Wong.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ta...ng-reports-595

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/fb...k-shooting-599

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/ny...pagewanted=all

I can give you many more examples like this. Qari Hussain himself accepted responsibility, in a video released by Taliban, for the New York times square car bomb. Look it up.

Taliban even accepted the responsibility for Salman Taseer's killing.

Taliban like to claim responsibility for everything to make themselves look more terrifying, like a blow fish. Read up on it if you don't know what a blow fish is. Sure they have done and continue to do many atrocities, but everything they say is not the God's gospel truth. If you believe them so much then why don't you go and join their mission?

And where did I talk about Ehsan ullah Ehsan's jurisdiction? Twisting my words in desperation and anger? Too bad. You're not in mood to understand anything. You're only looking for a confrontation, otherwise you would know exactly in what context and parlance I used the word "jurisdiction", that too of TTP, not Ehsan. Anyway, I'll throw in another term so that people with your level of mental capacity can also understand, AO i.e. Area of Operations. Now before you start jumping up and down in perceived victory, claiming that TTP has been doing bombings all over Pakistan so whole Pakistan is their AO. Understand that there are different levels of penetration that a certain terrorist group can do in different areas. Their strong hold is their real AO. An area with their ingress is just that, an area with their ingress, not their AO. Also, we are only talking about Swat. TTP specifically has never had any presence or operations in Swat. TT-Swat was and still is a different organization. There may be some links between the two but their leaders, command structure etc. was always and is still different. If you knew anything about how criminal/terrorist networks work and how well defined their AO's, in other words, their jurisdictions( yes, jurisdiction. Go and look up its meaning yourself, you need it) are, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself like this.

If you really don't understand anything then I can only pity you. Only you can solve your ignorance issue. You don't seem know anything about the history, functioning and MO's of these terrorist organizations like TTP and TT-Swat. I don't have time to write up a thesis on it for you. Go read up some old archives, newspapers, books etc. to understand the areas, their history and their respective terrorist movements before trying to pretend like a pompous scholar of the subject.

In short, all I am asking for is a proper, unbiased investigation into the matter, keeping in view all angles instead of piling up this case in cold storage with the excuse of Taliban claims. This is something any human being with common sense knows and understands. Don't know why you are getting your panties in a twist. Whats your interest in there being nil or a biased investigation? You wouldn't happen to be linked to the real shooters would you?
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@ Dear All ,

=> It is good to see people praying for the victim(Malala Yousafzai) and showing their affection towards her.

=> I just want to ask something to all those who are praying for Malala Yousafzai who was victim of that barbaric attack.

=> Why we have neglected the other two girls & not even mentioned their names who were also victim of that attack ? Aren't they human? or they haven't won any peace prize that is why ? or were not famous like Malala Yousafzai?

=> Secondly ,why our Media just focus on those people who are famous or earned any achievement?

=> Innocent Childrens like Malala Yousafzai are being brutally attacked almost in every now and then . Why we have stepped back for praying for the other two girls? and why we never discuss about brutality on the childrens of Balochistan ?

=> A humble request to you all is to be moderate regarding yours views.

P.S: May She recovers her health soon, and also Shazia & Kainat, Prayers for all those who are being victim of brutal attack in every nook and corner of the country.
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@ Dear All ,

=> It is good to see people praying for the victim(Malala Yousafzai) and showing their affection towards her.

=> I just want to ask something to all those who are praying for Malala Yousafzai who was victim of that barbaric attack.

=> Why we have neglected the other two girls & not even mentioned their names who were also victim of that attack ? Aren't they human? or they haven't won any peace prize that is why ? or were not famous like Malala Yousafzai?

=> Secondly ,why our Media just focus on those people who are famous or earned any achievement?

=> Innocent Childrens like Malala Yousafzai are being brutally attacked almost in every now and then . Why we have stepped back for praying for the other two girls? and why we never discuss about brutality on the childrens of Balochistan ?

=> A humble request to you all is to be moderate regarding yours views.

P.S: May She recovers her health soon, and also Shazia & Kainat, Prayers for all those who are being victim of brutal attack in every nook and corner of the country.
Well we must not see everything in negative perspective but it is a hard fact she was praised by US and so government is so touchy in everything US is involved. I appreciate her efforts. And also it is common that when a prominent person injures in an accident then all other affected are ignored.

When protocol is so important for them that they don`t even care for ambulances and normal people, why will they care about rest of innocent girls injured. About protocol Mr. Malik Mairaj Khaild incident is very prominent when he was traveling alone being PM of Pakistan was stuck in traffic block due to protocol of one of another politician.

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Time has been speaking for quite some time now; the country is burning.
I am not an intellectual but also I am not a layman. I don`t just see the picture, I am always concerned about behind the scene. I will advise you to study the previous cold war (Great Game) between USSR and rest and now the New Great Game between Russia and USA.

And Salala Check post attack was just a decoy. I have answered it but I think you haven`t read fully my posts. Yet again I am answering it. It was made to infiltrate TTP(CIA and RAW) insurgents. So whenever you hear a news, always try to see hidden motives.

And now you will ask me to give you written agreement of all this or video of infiltration of all those agents right?

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Well we must not see everything in negative perspective but it is a hard fact she was praised by US and so government is so touchy in everything US is involved. I appreciate her efforts. And also it is common that when a prominent person injures in an accident then all other affected are ignored.

When protocol is so important for them that they don`t even care for ambulances and normal people, why will they care about rest of innocent girls injured. About protocol Mr. Malik Mairaj Khaild incident is very prominent when he was traveling alone being PM of Pakistan was stuck in traffic block due to protocol of one of another politician.
=>It becomes negative only when we do not bother about the others. Me too appreciate her efforts but the point is WHY ONLY SHE ? I am not talking about the GOVt,that our Govt is touchy or whatsoever feels about her,Instead I am talking about us, atleast we discussing here or praying for her here must show our compassion equally not focusing on a single body.
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Soften your tone and watch your words. You are trying to sound as if you are the only intellectual and knowledgeable person present here. This can easily be seen in most of your posts in many threads. You are igniting the fire by your impolite words. Be careful in future.
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In short, all I am asking for is a proper, unbiased investigation into the matter, keeping in view all angles instead of piling up this case in cold storage with the excuse of Taliban claims.
And all I'm asking is that you stop defending these savages. You mentioned Qari Hussain, who I'm sure you are aware is also known as Ustad i Fadyeen, the architect of suicide bombing in Pakistan (btw he was killed in a drone strike) and we all know the damage caused by Baitullah Mehsud. But if you want to defend the Taliban in light of a few absurd statements that they've made in the past, then its your choice and by all means keep doing so. In the coming week or so, we'll probably know if someone other than the Taliban was involved.

As for the links between TTP and its Swat chapter, they were/are different entities but with a high level of cooperation, not just a "few links". You are right in saying that the TTP proper was never operating in Swat (since the TTP-Swat was a separate entity), but their ability to carry out a attack on a school girl is not to be doubted. In fact, I believe this is a much easier way to spread fear since their infrastructure in the area (or the lack thereof) and the army presence there does not allow them to carry out a major attack, run any large rackets etc etc.

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I am not an intellectual but also I am not a layman. I don`t just see the picture, I am always concerned about behind the scene. I will advise you to study the previous cold war (Great Game) between USSR and rest and now the New Great Game between Russia and USA.

And Salala Check post attack was just a decoy. I have answered it but I think you haven`t read fully my posts. Yet again I am answering it. It was made to infiltrate TTP(CIA and RAW) insurgents. So whenever you hear a news, always try to see hidden motives.

And now you will ask me to give you written agreement of all this or video of infiltration of all those agents right?

Sir, you still haven't given any evidence to back up your statements I'm sorry bro, but I don't see a conspiracy theory in everything. However, I suggest we wait until 2014 to see which one of us is right.

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