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I believe these Panels 'll hardly fail anyone. but you are correct we should expect the unexpected.result is likely by the end of February.

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what are your optionals?
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1-Agar 15 candidate ka psychological test daily ho raha hay to janaury main prog conclude hona chaheay? yea to feburary ki mid tak ja raha hay?

2- How many candidates are found ineligible after written results?

3- I have heared kay PPSC boht say candidates ko psycho main drop kar data hay. But members ki discussion say lagta hay kay psycho test ki itni importance nhi? what you gys say over it?
As told by orange emperor, process will end by the end of feb and result will come in march somewhere. Its wrong that ppsc drops candidates after psychological test because its not possible as psychological test itself does not carry any worth. It is simply a process leading towards Viva in order to assess any abnormality in candidate which is barely A misconception on the part pf commission because a candidate who passes 12 papersis obviously not insane to deliberately show himself off as a dumb. Viva is of vital significance.
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sir my optionals have made my candidature quite vulnerable because of their low scores as is evident by dmcs

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As told by orange emperor, process will end by the end of feb and result will come in march somewhere. Its wrong that ppsc drops candidates after psychological test because its not possible as psychological test itself does not carry any worth. It is simply a process leading towards Viva in order to assess any abnormality in candidate which is barely A misconception on the part pf commission because a candidate who passes 12 papersis obviously not insane to deliberately show himself off as a dumb. Viva is of vital significance.
Is opnion of psychologist binding upon Interview panel? How Psychologist rates the candidates? I mean what if psychologist opines that a candidate is not fit for civil services? If it carries no worth than what is purpose of two days activity?
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I disagree because you are underestimating ppsc's scoring patterns. You must revisit your analysis because people with public ad and punjabi will stand top of the list owing to their towering scores. What I told you is safe estimate, the words itself convey that I told benchmark. I don't think those getting less than 650 will stand anywhere except for exceptional cases.

Yes indeed dear, now i have no other choice but to acquiesce with you. Punjabi and Public ad etc have given very high scores and gives them the clean chit, BUT commission is not insane, the people sitting in panel do have a look at your optionas and their respective scores..You know majority of people have Punjabi and almost majority has scores in the range of 140-150, now commission knows that those with intellectual subjects such as Urdu, Pol science, Philosophy etc could not score more than 135 ni matter how best their attempt is, so be relaxed they will do something to bring we like people in competition as well...

My optionals are also very low scoring but i know that insha ALLAH i will make my mark, nothing happens with being the subjects scoring or not, everything is in ALLAh's hands...
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a former member of the ppsc who retired as secretary to govt of punjab and than served as member ppsc from 2000 to 2006 lives near my house i sought guidance from him on scoring trends in interviews of pms since he was member of the interview panel 3 times during his tenure he said that we people while conducting interviews are not at all impressed by the fact that one candiate has got 700 marks in written and just declare him pass without seeing anything else according to him punjabi has always been a scoring subject and in his years majority of the people got 130+ marks going as high as 170 but he said that we usually grilled these people more in interviews because we know that the examiner has done loose marking and they dont deserve such high marks so more searching questions were put to them and most of the candidates were not even able to explain the abc of punjabi so we gave them low scores or outrightly failed them secondly he said that a person who has got say 610 or 620 with a low scoring combination appears before the panel and performs well does not becomes nervous and handles pressure well even if he drops as many as 4 to 5 questions impresses the panel more and is more likely to get allocated as the purpose of the interview is to ascertain ones personality and his mental approach and apptitude he admitted before me that the marking system of both fpsc and ppsc is flawed since some examiners blindly give numbers whereas some others do not even give average marks to highly deserving candidates and because of this thing the role of interview becomes extremely important and he says that on the basis of his experience he can say that people with high scores are usually not intelligent and people with low scores are more sharp and because of this we have to give exceptionally high grade to low scoring candidates but with high iq level and that is the reason why fingers are raised every time both in css and pms that look they have favoured someone who had 601 marks with say 180 marks in interview but the fact of the matter is that he deserved those marks but his written score was not in consonnance with his calibre due to a number of reasons he also asked me that tell yourself does that person who has for example got more than 750 marks is not able to speak even one word of correct english does not gives logical answers and is shaky and nervous does not makes eye contanct with the the interivewer and is trembling does he deserves to be allocated he advised that all candidates should appear in interviews with positive frame of mind and even if they are aware that they have got only 600 marks they should not loose hope give their best in the interview and think of the interview as a 20/20 match even if you loose wickets in the opening overs you should play till the end confidently dropping questions is not something perceived negative it is how you conduct yourself which is important and in the end he said that it all depends on your luck if the panel likes you they will award you high marks to compenste for you low marks in written i have quoted my conversation with him word by word so as to encourage everyone and give them an insight that how the panels work the name of this man is Ch Riaz Warriach he is a distinguished civil servant served as DC and Comissioner and secretary to govt he served under three chairman ppsc as he got two tenures as member ppsc so i hope that this conversation will help everyone
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@orange bhai,thank you very much really informative post.

@Bilal my optionals are also low scoring,
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a former member of the ppsc who retired as secretary to govt of punjab and than served as member ppsc from 2000 to 2006 lives near my house i sought guidance from him on scoring trends in interviews of pms since he was member of the interview panel 3 times during his tenure he said that we people while conducting interviews are not at all impressed by the fact that one candiate has got 700 marks in written and just declare him pass without seeing anything else according to him punjabi has always been a scoring subject and in his years majority of the people got 130+ marks going as high as 170 but he said that we usually grilled these people more in interviews because we know that the examiner has done loose marking and they dont deserve such high marks so more searching questions were put to them and most of the candidates were not even able to explain the abc of punjabi so we gave them low scores or outrightly failed them secondly he said that a person who has got say 610 or 620 with a low scoring combination appears before the panel and performs well does not becomes nervous and handles pressure well even if he drops as many as 4 to 5 questions impresses the panel more and is more likely to get allocated as the purpose of the interview is to ascertain ones personality and his mental approach and apptitude he admitted before me that the marking system of both fpsc and ppsc is flawed since some examiners blindly give numbers whereas some others do not even give average marks to highly deserving candidates and because of this thing the role of interview becomes extremely important and he says that on the basis of his experience he can say that people with high scores are usually not intelligent and people with low scores are more sharp and because of this we have to give exceptionally high grade to low scoring candidates but with high iq level and that is the reason why fingers are raised every time both in css and pms that look they have favoured someone who had 601 marks with say 180 marks in interview but the fact of the matter is that he deserved those marks but his written score was not in consonnance with his calibre due to a number of reasons he also asked me that tell yourself does that person who has for example got more than 750 marks is not able to speak even one word of correct english does not gives logical answers and is shaky and nervous does not makes eye contanct with the the interivewer and is trembling does he deserves to be allocated he advised that all candidates should appear in interviews with positive frame of mind and even if they are aware that they have got only 600 marks they should not loose hope give their best in the interview and think of the interview as a 20/20 match even if you loose wickets in the opening overs you should play till the end confidently dropping questions is not something perceived negative it is how you conduct yourself which is important and in the end he said that it all depends on your luck if the panel likes you they will award you high marks to compenste for you low marks in written i have quoted my conversation with him word by word so as to encourage everyone and give them an insight that how the panels work the name of this man is Ch Riaz Warriach he is a distinguished civil servant served as DC and Comissioner and secretary to govt he served under three chairman ppsc as he got two tenures as member ppsc so i hope that this conversation will help everyone


@Rishzzz and all...

Dear this is what i wanted to say and this is manifested in my above post, dear Punjabi has given high scores to all those who have opted that subject and those with good (Intellectual) subjects would have scored low because they are not given good scores...

Good work orange bhai, we really got a kick in our confidence. Good work
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sir my optionals have made my candidature quite vulnerable because of their low scores as is evident by dmcs

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khuda kre aapki baat amar hojaye. Same for you bro. We couldn'nt join CSA once, I hope it turns otherwise this time.

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