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those who selected through CSS in Aduit department mostly they have not MBA or any other Commerce degree. Eligibility criteria is BA its after training they become able to perform in Finance department. i can give you many examples about this.
Of course u right,Iam also MBA(Finance) but failed in DDAO exam,according to my anylsis my correct anwsers is 68 in paper but reqired 71 correct anwser to qualify for written in DDAO exam.But if examiner add some 10 to 15 mcq,s finance or commerce related questions in paper then result is alternative,Then mostly finance or commerce related students passed the written exam.PPSC has not been giving any quota to finance students in finance department job but they must add 20% portion finance related questions in DDAO exam thats make some difference in written or a relief for commerce or finance students.But dears ab kuch nai ho skta.These polices show the talent of our policy makers or future maker of PAKISTAN.results of progress in Pakistan everyone know???
For ppsc jobs degrees not mattered just matter your knowledge.
so improve your knowledge.
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[QUOTE=WISDOMHOUSE;556495]I have done M.Phil Finance + PIPFA Qualified, but couldn't qualify bcz i didnt have BA degree to perform Finance role....


Dear we should pursur High court for our quota.[/QUOTE



If B.a degree holder is not eligible and cant perform as DDAO thn leave this decision to PPSC Members.If they find the candidate as you are saying , simply they will reject him.
And if you could not pass the general knowledge paper than how can you say that you are eligible?
You are behaving as general knowledge is degree and all b.a students have done thier bachelor in general knowledge.
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I have done M.Phil Finance + PIPFA Qualified, but couldn't qualify bcz i didnt have BA degree to perform Finance role....


Dear we should pursur High court for our quota.[/QUOTE



If B.a degree holder is not eligible and cant perform as DDAO thn leave this decision to PPSC Members.If they find the candidate as you are saying , simply they will reject him.
And if you could not pass the general knowledge paper than how can you say that you are eligible?
You are behaving as general knowledge is degree and all b.a students have done thier bachelor in general knowledge.
Yes brother these person are giving lame excuses for their failure to themselves and their families as they have just relied on their degrees.Not all B.A candidates are passed there are B.comers ,m.comers and MBA degree holders as me myself.I would advice these people to concentrate on their studies to make them competitive enough to clear these kind of exams.then they would be able to change the policies if anyone of them could be able to get high position for decision making related to the course and syllabi of these exams.
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Lets see how they interview, I am sure it will be only subject related and all General Knowledge holders feel the heat! only Relevant MBA Finance may be left, thats why they have selected 5 candidates for one seat,,,,, All joy seekers (G.K holders) will be sorted out!!!!!!!!!!!
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Default Attention MBA, M.COM, BBA candidates

I am one from you and medalist but can’t perform well in the test and couldn’t qualify for the interview. Most of the guys on the forum are sharing their views that the test was general and everyone should have cleared it, I respect their opinions but here I raise a question that why the corporate sector is performing well in the country than the government, just because of their success is screening the most appropriate and qualified in the concerned field and in government they are not following the policy “right person for the right job”. One of the guys said that some employees in audit and accounts departments selected through CSS don’t have MBA or M.com. Here I must say that is the reason that they are unable to gauge the mal-practices in their departments, and further they themselves indulges in corruption. Here I would like to share the personal views of my teacher (he also trained CSP officers for many years), he says that not following the policy of “Right person for the Right job” has led our government system to failure. Some guys say that training can fill all the deficiencies, so if only the training is enough to fulfill all the requirements to perform a job most appropriately then why the professional degrees are being awarded both in the government and private institutions. Another question is, why in Tehsildar test they took 4 papers and relevant to the job. Why shouldn’t they have relied only on the training?

Friends I am of view that we should knock the doors of courts and ask for the justice, we can raise the question against the validity of the test. I am research student and have worked over the development and testing of the scales used in researches to measure the response from the respondents. So if a scale (questionnaire) is having items (questions) measuring something else than the intended one than all the results and finding based on these responses are useless to suggest a course of action to policy makers. Same here whether you are measuring a person’s ability perform well in accounts work or evaluating his memory, his knowledge on history, hard sciences etc. What a joke, a question from chemistry would be a good indicator that this person has the skill to perform audit and maintain accounts, balances etc.

In USA same practice was used to be done and tests designed for the jobs didn’t contain the job relevant questions. Then a movement started and resultantly in 1978, the EEOC and three other federal agencies—the Civil Service Commission (predecessor of the Office of Personnel Management) and the Labor and Justice Departments—jointly issued the Uniform Guidelines on Employee Selection Procedures. The Guidelines incorporate a set of principles governing the use of employee selection procedures according to applicable laws. They provide a framework for employers and other organizations for determining the proper use of tests and other selection procedures. The Guidelines are legally binding under a number of civil rights laws, including Executive Order 11246 and the Civil Rights Requirements of the National Job Training Partnership Act and the Wagner Peyser Act. In reviewing the testing practices of organizations under Title VII, the courts generally give great importance to the Guidelines’ technical standards for establishing the job-relatedness of tests. Also, federal and state agencies, including the EEOC, apply the Uniform Guidelines in enforcing Title VII and related laws. If an employer requires job applicants to take a test, the test must be necessarily related to the job.

I am sure that if we join hands and file a petition in High Court, we can get our due right.
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101 percent agreed.......U made me emotional...............What a bogus system intact... We should raise our voice.........I am with you.......Any time...Anywhere,,,,,,,,every type of assistance..............My email is **********@outlook.com *******

Just tell me how to proceed further to raise our stance!

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In ADLR recruitment two friends of mine got selected.They have done MBA if you people could pass 100 marks of Laws questions than why you can not pass g.k.
These are basless excuses.As many of you pass the ppsc paper and get selected in finals.tell me one thing more, lets assume if this post were to be the part of PMS and
As you know requirement of pms is B.A then what would be your decision?
You have made objection on two prestigious institutions directly and called their name.please read the instructions.
I can see quota system is prevailing.soon other majors will stand up and file a petition.
We have heard a famous phrase "pandora's Box".Soon ASJ and DSJ will advertise and there too will be matter of quota because these posts relates to Law.same can be said in Tehsildar case, AD laboure welfare , Naib tehsildar, ASI, possibly deputy accountant, labour officer e.t.c.
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Dear members there has been a hue and cry on this forum regarding the paper pattern that included GK. The paper was divided in different sections English, Urdu, Pak studies, Islamiat, Math, Urdu and GK. PPSC mentioned the paper pattern with its advertisement. If any of the aggrieved person had any objections, he should have filed a petition before the exam. No all these talks are lame excuses and have no weight. (Sorry to say). It is advised to concentrate on future tests

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Lets see how they interview, I am sure it will be only subject related and all General Knowledge holders feel the heat! only Relevant MBA Finance may be left, thats why they have selected 5 candidates for one seat,,,,, All joy seekers (G.K holders) will be sorted out!!!!!!!!!!!
BA degree holders will definitely perform well in interview because they are concentrating on business and finance and not wasting their time. So they are not going to face any heat

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PPSC must add some quota in finance department,if they govt wanted some improvement in revenue system,otherwise after training everyone perform his duties or may be a person belong to arts,science etc,but see perfection in work only finance and commerce students.They know the ways in which how to save govt expenses and perform the works timely.According to my information in DDAO jobs mostly works related cheques and govt funds so thats work suit only commerce.Otherwise everyone perform functions.
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I am one from you and medalist but can’t perform well in the test and couldn’t qualify for the interview. Most of the guys on the forum are sharing their views that the test was general and everyone should have cleared it, I respect their opinions but here I raise a question that why the corporate sector is performing well in the country than the government, just because of their success is screening the most appropriate and qualified in the concerned field and in government they are not following the policy “right person for the right job”. One of the guys said that some employees in audit and accounts departments selected through CSS don’t have MBA or M.com. Here I must say that is the reason that they are unable to gauge the mal-practices in their departments, and further they themselves indulges in corruption. Here I would like to share the personal views of my teacher (he also trained CSP officers for many years), he says that not following the policy of “Right person for the Right job” has led our government system to failure. Some guys say that training can fill all the deficiencies, so if only the training is enough to fulfill all the requirements to perform a job most appropriately then why the professional degrees are being awarded both in the government and private institutions. Another question is, why in Tehsildar test they took 4 papers and relevant to the job. Why shouldn’t they have relied only on the training?

Friends I am of view that we should knock the doors of courts and ask for the justice, we can raise the question against the validity of the test. I am research student and have worked over the development and testing of the scales used in researches to measure the response from the respondents. So if a scale (questionnaire) is having items (questions) measuring something else than the intended one than all the results and finding based on these responses are useless to suggest a course of action to policy makers. Same here whether you are measuring a person’s ability perform well in accounts work or evaluating his memory, his knowledge on history, hard sciences etc. What a joke, a question from chemistry would be a good indicator that this person has the skill to perform audit and maintain accounts, balances etc.

In USA same practice was used to be done and tests designed for the jobs didn’t contain the job relevant questions. Then a movement started and resultantly in 1978, the EEOC and three other federal agencies—the Civil Service Commission (predecessor of the Office of Personnel Management) and the Labor and Justice Departments—jointly issued the Uniform Guidelines on Employee Selection Procedures. The Guidelines incorporate a set of principles governing the use of employee selection procedures according to applicable laws. They provide a framework for employers and other organizations for determining the proper use of tests and other selection procedures. The Guidelines are legally binding under a number of civil rights laws, including Executive Order 11246 and the Civil Rights Requirements of the National Job Training Partnership Act and the Wagner Peyser Act. In reviewing the testing practices of organizations under Title VII, the courts generally give great importance to the Guidelines’ technical standards for establishing the job-relatedness of tests. Also, federal and state agencies, including the EEOC, apply the Uniform Guidelines in enforcing Title VII and related laws. If an employer requires job applicants to take a test, the test must be necessarily related to the job.

I am sure that if we join hands and file a petition in High Court, we can get our due right.
You can contact me on ******@yahoo.com


thats rightly said, me too, is of the view that commerce degree should be treated as Professional degree and jobs related to commerce must be awarded to candidates having commerce background whatever the pattern of the paper is. even in such case, everyone would have fair chance..

anyhow, One must come forward and take initiative and fight for justice, The Hon'ble High Court has already passed a judgement in case of "Ziladar" post where Quota of 40% was awarded to BSC Agriculture candidates as the job relates to BSC Agriculture, so same should be implemented here in case of all commerce jobs.

To Writ a Petition in Lahore High Court, it Cost only Rs.500/- (rupees five hundrad only) in shape of stamp paper and it is also not compulsory to hire a lawyer....One can defend his case himself if he thinks that he can convince the Court of Law so i appeal, that one like you, having strong grounds with his statements should come forward and take a step for good fortune..

This little act may save the future of all up-comming commerce graduates.

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