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With all due respect brother, we are not here attempting BCQs, best choice question so we go for New York instead of New Jersey both are different cities, tomorrow you will say GHQ is not in Pindi but in Islamabad. You must admit paper had mistakes, too much mistakes. Paper type “c” Q:36 water solvent, they say it is biochemical reaction,(tomorrow they will consider it nuclear reaction as by an engineer Agha waqar already operated a car by water, is examiner intended to point out this water reaction ???) Q62:they say largest Delta is in India ,no any source internet or books say India, it is clearly written about Bangladesh, Q64:UV lights by sun are absorbed by Carbon dioxide (for God almighty sake please don’t play with basic science),Q80:bottle breaks when taken out of refrigerator when liquid inside expands (where in the question it is written bottle contain water, any other liquid or it is just empty all options were wrong),Q:50.spiral galaxy is the largest galaxy in the universe (spiral is type of galaxy not a particular single galaxy. Milky Way is smaller as compared to the Andromeda. So Andromeda is the right option)
If people are protesting (is it written in any holy scripture ,basic rights belong to journalists ,women and children only), it is their right, they don’t demand to annul the test ,their demand is to correct the right option. To handover the carbon copy to the student does not reflect transparency, the answer key is wrong, I have just pointed out science question. English and other subject might have more mistakes. This provide a good platform to student, to communicate and to correct what is wrong. Thank you.
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Just one correction

1. The question was about absorption of infrared radiations of sun not ultraviolet ones.
The question is right but key is wrong

Infrared IR radiations of sun are absorbed by green house gases, which include CO2 and water vapors.
However, the key provided by commission makes the correct choice as CO2 only.
Hence key is wrong, anyone can confirm this question.

One question in English was about,
Farm house was so isolated that they had to generate repeat generate their own electricity.......
One of guys said current is the right choice
No dear...
Right choice is power
Because neither supply nor grid are generated.
An electrical generator generates power, it does not generate supply.
The power is product of current and voltage.
Current is wrong because, none of you have ever heard you of current station. These are called power stations.

So power is right.

Again key is wrong and I hope paper setter was not an electrical engineer, had he been so, his degree might have been cancelled.

These are not mere mistakes but blunders.
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@ Sikandar Bozdar

Yes, water vapours as well as CO2 absorb infrared radiations.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/...m#.VKZgkSuUcZU

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/mguidry/...hapter2B2.html
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“They assured us that the candidates will be compensated but didn’t exactly say how,” said Mujtaba Samejo, who met the officials along with Ali. They warned the officials of court proceedings if the SPSC did not address their concerns.PHOTO: STOCK IMAGE
HYDERABAD: The recently held screening test of the combined competitive exams, conducted by the Sindh Public Service Commission (SPSC), has stirred a controversy for the board.
The candidates who sat for the test fear many of them will fail to make it to the second stage of the exams — the written test — owing to mistakes in the question paper.
As many as 24,442 candidates were issued admit cards for the December 28 test. According to SPSC controller Hadi Bux Kalhoro, only around 18,000 appeared in the test, which was held simultaneously in three centres in Hyderabad, Sukkur and Karachi. A total of 182 posts, including 136 of BPS-17 and 46 of BPS-16, are up for grabs.

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Several of the 100 MCQs in the screening test had mistakes, the candidates alleged. They claim that a large number of candidates who scored 50 or more marks will be most affected as they would not be able to accrue the minimum 60 marks, required to qualify for the written test.
“There were at least 15 questions with wrong answers,” alleged Asif Ali, who met the SPSC officials on Wednesday to submit complaints and recommendations on behalf of around a 100 candidates.
For example, the answer key of a question asking in which part of the atmosphere the commercial flights usually fly is given as ‘troposphere’. But the correct answer for this question is supposed to be ‘stratosphere’. Another key wrongly puts the spiral galaxy as the largest in the universe. According to Ali, another mistake is the use of the term, Doppler MRI machine, because magnetic resonance imagery is a completely different system from the Doppler technology. Another candidate, who did not want to be identified because he is a government servant, pointed out that Mirikot has been mentioned as the small fort enclosure in Ranikot fort in Jamshoro. Whereas, the correct answer was that both the Mirikot and Shergarh, which was also given as an option, are regarded as small enclosures in the historic fort.
SPSC sources say that the screening test was introduced as an additional test to ensure that the candidates with good knowledge of the written test’s subjects qualify for the exam. The written exam comprises six compulsory subjects totaling 700 marks, including a viva voce with 250 marks, and three optional subjects worth 150 marks each.
In a press statement issued on Tuesday, the SPSC admitted human error, putting it at around one or two per cent. “The candidates are assured that the margin of error will not affect their overall result,” read the statement issued by the controller.
A senior official of the SPSC, who sought anonymity, admitted to The Express Tribune that there were typing mistakes. “The chairperson has directed the members to sort out this issue. Benefit in terms of marks will be given to the candidates.”
The candidates’ delegation met the SPSC chairperson, Dr Agha Rafiq Ahmed, and controller Hadi Bux Kalhoro. They asked them to cancel the screening test, allowing all candidates to take the written tests and reduce the minimum passing marks to 40 instead of 60, or give at least 10 more marks to each candidate.
“They assured us that the candidates will be compensated but didn’t exactly say how,” said Mujtaba Samejo, who met the officials along with Ali. They warned the officials of court proceedings if the SPSC did not address their concerns.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 2nd, 2015.

http://tribune.com.pk/…/spsc-competi...-aspirants-i…/
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yes mistakenly I typed UV, it is IR ,my point is that key is wrong, IR absorption by green house effect is follows By their percentage contribution to the greenhouse effect on Earth the four major gases are:

water vapor, 36–70%
carbon dioxide, 9–26%
methane, 4–9%
ozone, 3–7%
water vapors play major role. all option given in the answer are correct,but best choice is water vapor not CO2. SPSC is having their own homely science.
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Yes, water vapours as well as CO2 absorb infrared radiations.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/...m#.VKZgkSuUcZU

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/mguidry/...hapter2B2.html
@ Ariz Ahmad
Dear, I also mentioned the same thing. Both CO2 and water vapours.
I chose this option, but key is wrong.

@invisible man
Dear, when water vapor and CO2 are in one option, this becomes best choice, both vapors and co2
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Dear Ali Sikandar

Thanks for participating in the discussion.

1. You have pointed out that the largest spiral galaxy would have been the rightly asked one?

First of all, since the question was about largest galaxy, the whole context is changed. Moreover, had the question been, as you mentioned, the correct choice would be andromeda

So In current scenario, none of the option is right, because largest galaxies are of elliptical type not spiral ones.

As far common sense is concerned, the burden of common sense is heavier on the shoulders of examiner rather than a candidate. It is totally unacceptable to set such flawed questions and demand common sense from a candidate. My common says, this question is wrong in first place. Every one is supposed to correct their own mistakes, a candidate must not been responsible for making up of an examiners mistake.

2. Nanga parbat as you mentioned was 22nd June, if examiner may be relaxed for 23rd June as being nearest, a candidate may also be relaxed for choosing 24th June. An examiner can refer to books, internet and discussions etc before setting up an exam. However no such facility is available in examination hall.
If an examiner can make such mistake, candidates may also be given open book tests and even then may be forgiven such mistakes as per your relaxation given to the examiner.

3. Hindenburg was new jersy not new York, crash site was in new jersy not new York, both separate states, how on earth can you relax an examiner from such a clear cut mistake.
I cant understand this in between logic of yours. You just need to look whose territory it was.
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I'm not giving relaxation to examiner. Definitely he had done mistakes in a few question (a few means a few). Neither it affected our "over all result", nor we should multiply other 95% right questions to zero and bring forward the conclusion that the whole paper was full of flaws. You are right that examiner should be held accountable. But saying "makeshift kind of test" is a big conclusion from smaller percentage of mistakes, you come up with. Hope you got my point.
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What i have noticed here is that our forum mates are split into lobbies or individuals, everyone is trying to debase other. For God's sake i request all the forum members to be unite, those who have passed should have no problem even if the passing criteria is 40% they would still be considered pass and if some extra marks are given their marks will increase too, and let's give everyone a level playing field. Unnecessary criticism is out of thought. The people who passed they can contribute more towards getting their other fellow's rights. They have more responsibility because they have passed and they should show big heart. so all this fight and quarrel makes no sense to me at least.

Therefore, all honorable members of this prestigious forum are requested to support each other not to debase or degrade each other. Person with an edge has more social responsibility than those who are deprived. I hope my request would be given some honor by all the members.
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You are right we should stand by our fellows in their rightful demands. Bringing passing percentage to 40% is not rightful demand it would be injustice to those who got lower than 40%. I demand:

1. That the answer keys should be corrected.
2. That for extra marks should be given for wrong questions (that are 2 or 3).
3. That the questions with 2 option right should be given right whoever tick any one of those options.

So that our other eligible brothers may get a chance to be the part of written CCE-2013.
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I'm not giving relaxation to examiner. Definitely he had done mistakes in a few question (a few means a few). Neither it affected our "over all result", nor we should multiply other 95% right questions to zero and bring forward the conclusion that the whole paper was full of flaws. You are right that examiner should be held accountable. But saying "makeshift kind of test" is a big conclusion from smaller percentage of mistakes, you come up with. Hope you got my point.
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Dear, there are about 10-15 questions, which are either wrong or have wrong keys.

So its not 95% right

10-15 mistakes in a competitive exam question paper are not easy to swallow, nor one can brush aside such a blunder.

This test is like a knockout round, where you either make it or you don't, because number of marks obtained doesn't matter. I have passed with 52, it would not make a difference, if I get 60 marks or so.

Think of those who got 40-49

Such mistakes must not be repeated and as of now, and all candidates must be awarded marks equivalent the number of such wrong questions. It is a standard practice even followed by NTS.

Why should candidates suffer for the mistakes of an ill-knowledgeable examiner?

This is no joke, its a competitive exam for heaven's sake.
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Dear, there are about 10-15 questions, which are either wrong or have wrong keys.

So its not 95% right

10-15 mistakes in a competitive exam question paper are not easy to swallow, nor one can brush aside such a blunder.

This test is like a knockout round, where you either make it or you don't, because number of marks obtained doesn't matter. I have passed with 52, it would not make a difference, if I get 60 marks or so.

Think of those who got 40-49

Such mistakes must not be repeated and as of now, and all candidates must be awarded marks equivalent the number of such wrong questions. It is a standard practice even followed by NTS.

Why should candidates suffer for the mistakes of an ill-knowledgeable examiner?

This is no joke, its a competitive exam for heaven's sake.
Saying 10-15 mistakes is an exaggeration. If the case is so, than grace marks should be given. I'm not asking you to easily swallow this all. But saying the whole test, a joke or invalid is also injustice to those who got success.
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Saying 10-15 mistakes is an exaggeration. If the case is so, than grace marks should be given. I'm not asking you to easily swallow this all. But saying the whole test, a joke or invalid is also injustice to those who got success.
Dear Ali Sikandar

I have myself passed this test, but passing is secondary. The primary issue is setting matters of the commission straight.

10-15 mistakes is not an exaggeration, its the fact. I have myself posted 12 questions, out of which, 10 are confirmed wrong, the rest are mistakes in keys.

Some questions were pointed out by other candidates, like nanga parbat incident and commercial jets flying in lower stratosphere. You can confirm these and other questions by yourself.

Nangaparbat, troposphere, IR radiations, curved railway tracks, airship Hindenburg, largest galaxy, father of rocketry, and many other questions are confirmed as wrong.

We may leave the dubious questions but how can we deny the questions that may easily be researched on internet and from other sources.
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