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Question the use of the word "Would"
Is there no mistake in this sentence "The Hindus supported East India Company provided that they would co-operate with them." I was discussing it with my friend that in the above sentence the use of the word "Would" is inappropriate and incorrect because with the If-clause,we don't use will or would,etc but simple tenses.However,my friend is of the view that there lies no mistake in the sentence;would can be used with provided that. Kindly comment whether it is correct or not. Regards...
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WOULD correctly used.
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yup would is correct
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Would in the given sentence is used rightly.

With 'if', both 'will' and 'would' can be used perfectly. Consider the example of conditional sentences type I, II and III:

Type - I:

If + Simple Present + Will = Future

(If I get a job, I will offer you a treat)

Type - II:

If + Simple Past + Conditional I (= Would + Infinitive)

(If I got a job, I would offer you a treat)

Type - III:

If + Past Perfect + Conditional II (=Would + Have + Past Participle)

(If I had got a job, I would have offered you a treat)

I hope this clarifies.

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Is there no mistake in this sentence "The Hindus supported East India Company provided that they would co-operate with them." I was discussing it with my friend that in the above sentence the use of the word "Would" is inappropriate and incorrect because with the If-clause,we don't use will or would,etc but simple tenses.However,my friend is of the view that there lies no mistake in the sentence;would can be used with provided that. Kindly comment whether it is correct or not. Regards...
well this is hilarious that all of you people are evaluating this sentence in the light of mistake identified by Mr Arslan which certainly is not the mistake at all.
would here is perfectly used as this is a conditional clause in which we can obviously use IF and WOULD...
the actual mistake lies in the use of that which precedes provided..provided directly takes conditional auxiliary verb followed by the main verb...
so the correct sentence would be "The Hindus supported East India Company provided they would co-operate with them."
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I haven't got the satisfactory answer to my complex question.You're saying that would is correctly used in this sentence:"The Hindus supported East India Company provided that they would co-operate with them." As all of us know very well that "Provided that" is a conjunction, if so then i think it always takes present/past simple tense (not will or would) and other world like (if ,when,etc.) are used in the same manner.

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well this is hilarious that all of you people are evaluating this sentence in the light of mistake identified by Mr Arslan which certainly is not the mistake at all.
would here is perfectly used as this is a conditional clause in which we can obviously use IF and WOULD...
the actual mistake lies in the use of that which precedes provided..provided directly takes conditional auxiliary verb followed by the main verb...
so the correct sentence would be "The Hindus supported East India Company provided they would co-operate with them."
Dear it is optional that we use that with provided or leave it out, it doesn't matter.
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Dear it is optional that we use that with provided or leave it out, it doesn't matter.
Farrukh it is not discretionary as it has to follow the rule and i have told you the rule, rest is up to you...
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Farrukh it is not discretionary as it has to follow the rule and i have told you the rule, rest is up to you...
Bilal kindly look up in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary Or Practical English Usage by Michael Swan Or simply search for it on google.Inshallah you'll find the solution to this point.
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Bilal kindly look up in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary Or Practical English Usage by Michael Swan Or simply search for it on google.Inshallah you'll find the solution to this point.
well Farrukh actually provided is basically used to start a conditional clause and replaces IF, i am dead sure you better go to the books you have pointed out, these are indeed best books in their respective domains and iv'e already gone thorugh each of them...
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There is a little bit difference in 'Will' & 'Would' .

"Will" is an ability that you can do .
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'Would' is a possibility that you may do .
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