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One of the most ominous and discreditable symptoms of the want of candour in present-day sociology is the deliberate neglect of the population question. It is or should be transparently clear that if the State is resolved, on humanitarian grounds, to inhibit the operation of natural selection, some rational regulation of population, both as regards quantity and quality, is
imperatively necessary. There is no self-acting adjustment, apart from starvation, of numbers to the means of subsistence. If all natural checks are removed, a population in advance of the optimum number will be produced, and maintained at the cost of a reduction in the standard of living. When this pressure begins to be felt, that section of the population which is capable of reflection, and which has a standard of living which may be lost, will voluntarily restrict its numbers, even to the point of failing to replace deaths by an equivalent number of new births; while the underworld, which always exists in every civilised society the failures and misfits and derelicts, moral and physical will exercise no restraint, and will be a constantly increasing drain upon the national resources. The population will thus be recruited, in a very undue proportion, by those strata of society which do not possess the qualities of useful citizens.

The importance of the problem would seem to be sufficiently obvious. But politicians know that the subject is unpopular. The unborn have no votes. Employers like a surplus of labour, which can be drawn upon when trade is good. Militarists want as much food for powder as they can get. Revolutionists instinctively oppose any real remedy for social evils; they know that every unwanted child is a potential insurgent. All three can appeal to a quasi-religious prejudice, resting apparently on the ancient theory of natural rights, which were supposed to include the right of unlimited procreation. This objection is now chiefly urged by celibate or childless priests; but it is held with such fanatical vehemence that the fear of losing the votes which they control is a welcome excuse for the baser sort of politician to shelve the subject as inopportune. The Socialist calculation is probably erroneous; for experience has shown that it is aspiration, not desperation, that makes revolutions.

Neglect to the population question
Formality in sociology has led to the deliberate ignorance of the population question. (It is not a good start) Population must be regulated both quantitatively and qualitatively even if the government wants to obstruct natural selection.You are discontinuing your flow starvation is the only autonomous quantitative regulator. without restraint, overpopulation and a consequent decline in standard of living results. therefore, the threatened section often reduces their number voluntarily even resulting in negative balance. Meanwhile, the less desirable section continues to proliferate and is even hired inappropriately by the lesser populated society.(I am not getting you here as per to the original write up!the significance of issues is well known, even though beneficiaries refute it. They object on the superficial-religious grounds derived from ancient law permitting unrestrained reproduction. Yet, they hold back from supporting the clergy with the fear of losing achieved objectives. contrary to the socialist views, real change is brought by the people with vision and not merely by people.
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Title: Ignorance of population problems and social discipline

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.................................................. .......

Your attempt is nice. Don't know why I am unable to say, "it is the best one"... I found that you lack in continuity in your ideas. I read twice and thrice and come to know that your attempt is ambiguous one. please be simple and to the point. Overall it is again an average attempt. If I am wrong please do tell me...Plus, keep going on I will be guiding you with my little knowledge..

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exclusively, thanks once again, don't know how many times i have to thank you for your timely assistance.i like your topic, its sophisticated but why social discipline? do you think its relevant to the topic of the precis.kindly, read and evaluate my this attempt as well. i will post precis till 15 the december, then hopefully essays again.



Culture, in human societies, has two main aspects; an external, formal aspect and an inner, ideological aspect. The external forms of culture, social or artistic, are merely an organized expression of its inner ideological aspect, and both are an inherent component of a given social structure. They are changed or modified when this structure. They are changed and modified when this structure is changed or modified and because of this organic link they also help and influence such changes in their parent organism. Cultural Problems, therefore, cannot be studied or understood or solved in isolation from social problems, i.e. problems of political and economic relationships. The cultural problems of the underdeveloped countries, therefore, have to be understood and solved in the light of larger perspective, in the context of underlying social problems. Very broadly speaking, these problems are primarily the problems of arrested growth; they originate primarily from long years of imperialist-Colonialist domination and the remnants of a backward outmoded social structure. This should not require much elaboration European Imperialism caught up with the countries of Asia, Africa or Latin America between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries. Some of them were fairly developed feudal societies with ancient traditions of advanced feudal culture. Others had yet to progress beyond primitive pastoral tribalism. Social and cultural development of them all was frozen at the point of their political subjugation and remained frozen until the coming of political independence. The culture of these ancient feudal societies, in spite of much technical and intellectual excellence, was restricted to a small privileged class and rarely intermingled with the parallel unsophisticated folk culture of the general masses. Primitive tribal culture, in spite of its child like beauty, had little intellectual content. Both feudal and tribal societies living contagiously in the same homelands were constantly engaged in tribal, racial and religious or other feuds with their tribal and feudal rivals. Colonialist – imperialist domination accentuated this dual fragmentation, the vertical division among different tribal and national groups, the horizontal division among different classes within the same tribal or national groups. This is the basic ground structure, social and cultural, bequeathed to the newly liberated countries by their former over lords.

Social and cultural problems and their solution
Human culture has an external, formal or artistic type which is the expression of the inner ideological part. Both the external and internal forms are interrelated and a part of the social structure. therefore, social problems must be studied to study, understand and solve cultural problems. These problems are rooted in the 16 and 19th century European colonization of developed feudal and even lesser developed tribal cultures of asia, Africa and latin America, stunting their growth till their independence. under the colonial rule, priviledged few with a relatively developed feudal culture rarely intermingled with the wider unsophisticated mass, rather they were often quarelling. colonial masters fanned the vertical and horizontal division between nations and tribes and within nations and tribes respectively, and gifted such a culture to the newly independent states. (130)
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.................................................. .......

Your attempt is nice. Don't know why I am unable to say, "it is the best one"... I found that you lack in continuity in your ideas. I read twice and thrice and come to know that your attempt is ambiguous one. please be simple and to the point. Overall it is again an average attempt. If I am wrong please do tell me...Plus, keep going on I will be guiding you with my little knowledge..

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exclusively, thanks once again, don't know how many times i have to thank you for your timely assistance.i like your topic, its sophisticated but why social discipline? do you think its relevant to the topic of the precis.kindly, read and evaluate my this attempt as well. i will post precis till 15 the december, then hopefully essays again.



Culture, in human societies, has two main aspects; an external, formal aspect and an inner, ideological aspect. The external forms of culture, social or artistic, are merely an organized expression of its inner ideological aspect, and both are an inherent component of a given social structure. They are changed or modified when this structure. They are changed and modified when this structure is changed or modified and because of this organic link they also help and influence such changes in their parent organism. Cultural Problems, therefore, cannot be studied or understood or solved in isolation from social problems, i.e. problems of political and economic relationships. The cultural problems of the underdeveloped countries, therefore, have to be understood and solved in the light of larger perspective, in the context of underlying social problems. Very broadly speaking, these problems are primarily the problems of arrested growth; they originate primarily from long years of imperialist-Colonialist domination and the remnants of a backward outmoded social structure. This should not require much elaboration European Imperialism caught up with the countries of Asia, Africa or Latin America between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries. Some of them were fairly developed feudal societies with ancient traditions of advanced feudal culture. Others had yet to progress beyond primitive pastoral tribalism. Social and cultural development of them all was frozen at the point of their political subjugation and remained frozen until the coming of political independence. The culture of these ancient feudal societies, in spite of much technical and intellectual excellence, was restricted to a small privileged class and rarely intermingled with the parallel unsophisticated folk culture of the general masses. Primitive tribal culture, in spite of its child like beauty, had little intellectual content. Both feudal and tribal societies living contagiously in the same homelands were constantly engaged in tribal, racial and religious or other feuds with their tribal and feudal rivals. Colonialist – imperialist domination accentuated this dual fragmentation, the vertical division among different tribal and national groups, the horizontal division among different classes within the same tribal or national groups. This is the basic ground structure, social and cultural, bequeathed to the newly liberated countries by their former over lords.

Social and cultural problems and their solution
Human culture has an external, formal or artistic type which is the expression of the inner ideological part. Both the external and internal forms are interrelated and a part of the social structure. therefore, social problems must be studied to study, understand and solve cultural problems. These problems are rooted in the 16 and 19th century European colonization of developed feudal and even lesser developed tribal cultures of asia, Africa and latin America, stunting their growth till their independence. under the colonial rule, priviledged few with a relatively developed feudal culture rarely intermingled with the wider unsophisticated mass, rather they were often quarelling. colonial masters fanned the vertical and horizontal division between nations and tribes and within nations and tribes respectively, and gifted such a culture to the newly independent states. (130)
You have tackled it nicely dear. Very good attempt. I attempted this one and got failed, though my topic was same but presentation was quite different. So far I am puzzled that why I got failed in this paper.

Dear I would say you have done it much better than that of your earlier attempt. Keep going on...

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Dear consult a book named "exploring the world of English"..
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i did it too dear and i passed,(57) though i don't know how i passed. thanks for your appreciation. i also feel a positive change.kindly evaluate this one too.


If then a practical end must be assigned to a University course, I say it is that of training good members of a society. Its ah is the art of social life, and its end is fitness for the world. It neither confines its views to particular professions on the one hand, not creates heroes or inspires genius on the other. Works indeed of genius fall under no art; heroic minds come under no rule; a University is not a birthplace of poets or of immortal authors, of founders of schools, leaders of colonies, or conquerors of nations. It does not promise a generation of Aristotle or Newtons of Napoleons or Washingtons of Raphaels or Shakespearcs though such miracles of nature it has before now contained within its precincts. Nor is it content on the other hand with forming the critic or the experimentalist, the economist or the engineer, through such too it includes within its scope. But a University training is the great ordinary means to a great ordinary end; it aims at raising the intellectual tone of society, at cultivating the public mind, at purifying the national taste, at supplying true principles to popular aspirations. It is the education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgments, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them, ft teaches him to sec things as they arc, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical and to - discard what is irrelevant. It prepares him to fill any post with credit, and to master any subject with facility.

University training and its result
University course is a social art and should train people adequately to face the world. It neither confines itself to a particular profession, nor aims at producing natural miracles for they are beyond any rule or art, though they are within the scope and limits of a university. infact, university training is the exceptional ordinary mean to achieve an ordinary yet grand result. it aims at educating, refining and feritilizing the mind of common mass. It makes him realistic, direct, understanding and judgemental. It turns him into a professional and an expert in any subject.
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If then a practical end must be assigned to a University course, I say it is that of training good members of a society.Its ah is the art of social life, and its end is fitness for the world.

It neither confines its views to particular professions on the one hand, not creates heroes or inspires genius on the other.

Works indeed of genius fall under no art; heroic minds come under no rule; a University is not a birthplace of poets or of immortal authors, of founders of schools, leaders of colonies, or conquerors of nations.

It does not promise a generation of Aristotle or Newtons of Napoleons or Washingtons of Raphaels or Shakespearcs though such miracles of nature it has before now contained within its precincts. Nor is it content on the other hand with forming the critic or the experimentalist, the economist or the engineer, through such too it includes within its scope.

But a University training is the great ordinary means to a great ordinary end; it aims at raising the intellectual tone of society, at cultivating the public mind, at purifying the national taste, at supplying true principles to popular aspirations. It is the education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgments, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them, ft teaches him to sec things as they arc, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical and to - discard what is irrelevant. It prepares him to fill any post with credit, and to master any subject with facility.

University training and its result
University course is a social art and should train people adequately to face the world.

It neither confines itself to a particular profession, nor aims at producing natural miracles for they are beyond any rule or art, though they are within the scope and limits of a university.

infact, university training is the exceptional ordinary mean to achieve an ordinary yet grand result. it aims at educating, refining and feritilizing the mind of common mass. It makes him realistic, direct, understanding and judgemental. It turns him into a professional and an expert in any subject.
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The pivotal role of university in producing intellectuals and its impacts

Once again you have done it outstandingly. More or less I am satisfied

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Precis Practicing for CSS-2014

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Let us start our precis for CSS~2014, I am going to post a precis every day. I am sure serious candidates of CSS-2014 will be contributing and practicing with us.

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sain are we supposed to re-arrange words in the sentences and re-arrange sentences in precis writing in order to under to understand & accumulate the meaning and purpose of paragraph or we have to read the paragraph as it is written?

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Tips for Writing a Précis



A well-written précis should be a serviceable substitute for the original work. The goal is to
preserve the core essence of the work in a manner that is both clear and concise. At a
minimum, the précis should include the topic or main thesis, the purpose of the research,
what was studied, what methods were used, what results (or insight) were gained, and a
conclusion. This guide provides tips and includes links to two sample papers, one on fetal
protection policies and the other on James L. Sundquist and constitutional reform.

Goals of the Précis


Compress and clarify a lengthy passage, article, or book, while retaining important
concepts, key words, and important data.

Remove what is superfluous and retain the core essence of the work.

Give a brief description of key terms

Give a brief description of methods * an idea of the general approach used by the
researchers.

State the purpose of the research or piece of writing (why was it important to
conduct this research or write on this topic?)

When finished, the précis should clearly state:


This is what was studied (argued, discussed).

This is how it was done (this was the focus).

This is what was learned.

This is what it means (why it is important).

Sample Précis


"Fetal Protection Policies and the Cultural Mandate for Job Segregation by Gender"

"James L. Sundquist, Constitutional Reform and Effective Government"


Claremont Graduate School




Writing the Precis


As serious academic writers, you will have to read and remember large amounts of prose (and poetry) along with
scientific and social-studies articles as well. In many of your college courses, you are probably able to memorize facts
and key statements with relative ease, but in English courses and others which also require close, critical reading, you
are asked to go a step further, i.e., to present the informing argument of, let's say, an article and to reproduce the
logical development of the argument in as cogent a form as possible in your own words. In order to demonstrate that
you have assimilated the central argument and proof of another scholar's critical interpretation, you must be able to
summarize and even compose a precis of an argument.

A summary or a precis is NOT a personal interpretation of a work or an expression of your
opinion of the idea; it is, rather, an exact replica in miniature of the work, often reduced to
one-quarter to one-fifth of its size, in which you express the complete argument!

What actually happens when you write a precis? First, you must understand the complete work so that you can
abstract the central argument and express it cogently and completely. Next, you must develop the argument exactly
as the writer has presented it AND reduce the work by 75-80% of its size. Of course, this is possible when you
consider exactly how you "learn" to read the work.

The key word here is assimilation. When you read the material, it is probable that you will understand only those
parts which have associations within your own experience (intellectual, emotional, physical, etc.)

How you actually go about writing a precis depends largely on your ability to restate the writer's central ideas after
you have assimilated them in your own mind.

Here are the rules of the game:

1. Read the article many times most carefully.

2. Write a precis of the article in which you state the entire argument
and present the logical progression (the development) of the argument.

3. Reduce the article to one-fifth to one-quarter of its original length
and omit nothing from the essential argument. This is, in reality,
the key to the whole enterprise!

4. Type the precis and begin with your abstraction of the central, inform-
ing idea of the article. Having understood and written the central idea,
present the essential argument in as cogent manner as possible.

(Clue: Once you have assimilated the article through the illustrations
and examples the writer uses to make his/her abstract ideas concrete,
you do not have to include these in your precis!)

5. Here is a central rule:

Do not copy a single sentence from the article! You may use
key words and phrases only when you are expressing ideas which are
technically precise or when you feel comfortable using the writer's
own words, i.e., you understand exactly he or she means, and there
is really no better way to express the concept.



Finally, in order to complete this assignment, you will have to read the work most carefully, ask questions about the
work repeatedly, and reach into your own experiences so that you can shape most cogently the writer's concepts!

This assignment is not easy! When you have completed it well, you will never, never forget the argument, the
examples, and the development of the article. More than likely you will also be learning that, when you write research
papers and other critical papers, you ability to write the precis is central to the basics of analysis, synthesis,
comparison, and other key, higher order thinking skills absolutely required for your success in college and in the
profession or career you have chosen when you graduate.



Palo Alto College







STEP #1
Begin with an article that is relevant and
interesting, one with meat to it.
Read it and make sure that you
understand it.






STEP #2
Select the most important points
contained in the article.
Underline or highlight those points.





STEP #3
Collect your key points.


Salt Lake City
IOC awarded SLC the 2002 Winter Olympics.
leak from disgruntled employee of organizing committee
questions from member of IOC
bidders suspected of bribing IOC members
four groups investigating
IOC members heavily courted
members pledge to return gifts of over $150
IRS may investigate
IOC members serve without pay but are allowed to accept plane tickets, accommodations, and lavish
meals
looks like nearly $400,000 was paid in scholarships and financial aid to 13 students
six recipients related to IOC members
members not accepting blame but citing past practices
games will probably still be held in Salt Lake City
city worried about sponsors pulling out
IOC investigating
some members may be forced to resign
reform is needed




STEP #4
Place your ideas in sentences.
Arrange your sentences into one unit,
the "Synopsis."


By an overwhelming margin, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) selected Salt
Lake City, Utah, as the site for the 2002 Winter Olympics. But based on leaks from
a disgruntled employee of the local organizing committee and questions from a
member of the IOC, the Salt Lake City bidders are suspected of bribing IOC members.
So far four groups have opened investigations. The IOC members serve without pay
and are pledged to refuse gifts in excess of $150; but they are heavily courted and
allowed to accept plane tickets, hotel accommodations, and lavish dinners. It now
looks like they also took nearly $400,000 in scholarship money and financial aid to
13 students, six of whom were related to IOC members. So far no one is accepting
blame; they are only citing past, similar behaviors. While the games will probably
still be held in Salt Lake City, local organizers are concerned about the pull-out
of sponsors and the possibility that the IRS might begin an investigation. The IOC
is investigating and some members may be forced to resign. Reform is needed.


Montgomery County Community College


Paraphrase, Summary, and Precis

Three writing strategies that will help you understand what you are reading are the paraphrase, summary, and precis.
All three ask you to put the information that you're reading into your own words.

Paraphrase

When you paraphrase, you are explaining your source's argument, following its line of reasoning and its sequence of
ideas, in your own words. The paraphrase should give the reader an accurate understanding of the author's position on
the topic. The purpose of a paraphrase is to convey the meaning of the original message and, in doing so, to prove that
you understand the passage well enough to restate it. Remember, your job is not to prove yourself correct, but to
uncover and explain all the facts and arguments involved in your subject.

To paraphrase, first substitute synonyms for the passage's more important terms. These synonyms should be accurate
both in denotative and connotative meaning. It does not matter yet whether you agree or disagree with the passage; it
only matters that you comprehend what the show that you understand what the passage says.

This restatement preserves both the original meaning of the passage and the author's position on the matter, but it may
be difficult to read at some points. Fine tune the sentence construction, possibly even adding a phrase here and there to
illustrate a point more clearly or show a connection between two ideas.

The paraphrase alters the wording of the passage without changing its meaning. It retains the basic logic of the
argument, its sequence of ideas, and even the examples used in the passage. Most importantly, it accurately conveys
the author's meaning and opinion.

Summary

A summary restates only the author's main ideas, omitting all the examples and evidence used in supporting and
illustrating those points. The function of a summary is to represent the scope and emphasis of a relatively large amount
of material in an efficient and concise form. In your own words, state the thesis, main arguments and conclusion of the
original. In both the paraphrase and summary, the author's meaning and opinion have been retained. However, in the
case of the summary, examples and illustrative elements of the passage are omitted. Because they can be used to
encapsulate everything from a long narrative passage of an essay, to a chapter in a book, to the entire book itself,
summaries can be tremendously helpful.

Precis

The precis (pronounced pray-see) is a type of summarizing that insists on an exact reproduction of the logic,
organization, and emphasis of the original texts. It is of particular use in situations in which you want to detail the
relative order, proportions, and relationships of the original parts of a text. An effective precis retains the logic,
development, and argument of the original in much shorter form. Thus, a precis is useful when you are dealing with
lengthy passages that demand careful attention to the logic and organization of an argument.

To write an effective precis, read the passage several times for a full understanding. Note key points. It may, in fact, be
helpful to underline these words. Restate each paragraph in one or two sentences. In cases where there are very short
paragraphs, combine them in your restatement. Make sure that you retain the precise order of the original points, and
combine the sentences into one or more smooth paragraphs. Finally, check your precis against the original to be sure
that it is exact and retains the order, proportions, and relationships of the original.


University of Kansas



PRECIS

The following has been excerpted from Warriner's English
Grammar and Composition: Complete Course, pages 429-437.

A precis is a brief summary. Writing a precis is valuable training
in composition. Since the writing requires you to be clear and
concise, you must choose your words carefully and arrange them
skillfully you get the maximum amount of meaning into the
minimum space.

In addition to its value as a writing exercise, precis work is
excellent reading practice. In order to summarize another's ideas
in your own words, you must understand the idea thoroughly.

In school and in life after school, there are many situations that
call for the writing of a brief, accurate summary of reading. You
are frequently asked to prepare a summary of what you have
read in your textbook or in the library. Answers on examinations
often require a brief summary. People in business, in club work,
and in social work must prepare short digests of articles and
reports.

Study the following facts about precis and the basic steps in
writing.

1.A precis is a short summary. It is not a paraphrase,
which merely says in different and simpler words exactly
what the passage being paraphrased has to say. A
paraphrase may be a long as the passage itself. A precis
rarely is more than one-third the length of the original
selection and may be only one-fourth as long.
2.A precis gives only the "heart" of a passage. It omits
repetition and such details as examples, illustrations, and
adjectives unless they are of unusual importance.
3.A precis is written entirely in the words of the person
writing it, not in the words of the original selection.
Avoid the temptation to lift long phrases and whole
sentences from the original.
4.A precis is written from the point of view of the
author whose work is being summarized. Do not begin
with such expressions as "This author says" or "The
paragraph means." Begin as though you were summarizing
your own writing.

In writing a precis proceed as follows:

1.Read carefully, sentence by sentence, the passage to be
summarized. Try to grasp the writer's main point. Spotting
the topic sentence will help. Look up in the dictionary any
words whose meaning is not absolutely clear. As you read,
take brief notes to be used in your writing.
2.When you have finally decided what the author's main
point is, write it out in your own words. Do not use the
wording of the original except for certain key words which
you may find indispensable. If you cannot translate the
idea into language of your own, you do not understand
them very well. Be especially careful not to rely too much
on the topic sentence. Do not add any opinions or ideas of
your own.
3.Revise your writing until you are sure that you have given
an accurate summary.
4.Usually you will find your precis is too long, if it is more
than one-third the length of the original. Continue your
revision until you have reduced the precis to the proper
length. In this careful revision lies the principal value of the
precis as a composition exercise.

Inshallah it will help you a lot
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bha mostly various new and difficult words are used in original paragraph, then how can we deal with those confusing words?
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thanx ada
bha mostly various new and difficult words are used in original paragraph, then how can we deal with those confusing words?
When you deduct most difficult words, then just skip them and concentrate on the sentence. Then make your idea about the meaning of sentence. Finally, write it in your own words.



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Hamad read Discovering the world of English, and practice past Idioms, Pair of words. Besides, do writing practice as much as you can..

by the way hamad are you civil Engineer?

and may I know your optional subjects...

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