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Dont you think this essay was directed towards iran-us nuclear deal that is a good example of winning without fighting by two great nations. Anyone who is in touch with media would have heard vowing this deal as win-win by leaders of both countries and undoubtedly both nations are great. As for as i percieve, examiner has not asked how a nation becomes great ?rather question was to exand a straightgorward statement by quoting examples of disputes resolved by great nations around the globe by mere dialogue and diplomacy rather than engaging into wars..
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Dont you think this essay was directed towards iran-us nuclear deal that is a good example of winning without fighting by two great nations. Anyone who is in touch with media would have heard vowing this deal as win-win by leaders of both countries and undoubtedly both nations are great. As for as i percieve, examiner has not asked how a nation becomes great ?rather question was to exand a straightgorward statement by quoting examples of disputes resolved by great nations around the globe by mere dialogue and diplomacy rather than engaging into wars..
Thank you for your post. You are right. The best example of winning without fighting could be Iran-US deal. But kindly note that this thread was initiated to discuss the different angle of the essay i.e. winning with fighting.
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Thank you for your post. You are right. The best example of winning without fighting could be Iran-US deal. But kindly note that this thread was initiated to discuss the different angle of the essay i.e. winning with fighting.
I ll differ. The Iran-US deal can be mentioned as an example, that too, if Iran and US fit into our definition of a great nation. The 2000+ words cant just revolve around this single instance ultimately digressing from the main topic and discussing Iran-US relationship.

We must demonstrate the extent of our knowledge plus pen as many different areas as possible that the topic of the essay can accommodate.

If you define fight as a war thats right but what if you add struggle, raising of voice, a resolution, etc. to the meaning and discuss how great nations do that ?

Overall, Micho outline is a fair example of how we are expected to write.

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Dont you think this essay was directed towards iran-us nuclear deal that is a good example of winning without fighting by two great nations. Anyone who is in touch with media would have heard vowing this deal as win-win by leaders of both countries and undoubtedly both nations are great. As for as i percieve, examiner has not asked how a nation becomes great ?rather question was to exand a straightgorward statement by quoting examples of disputes resolved by great nations around the globe by mere dialogue and diplomacy rather than engaging into wars..
It will make a good essay to revolve your essay around dispute resolution by dialogue and diplomacy if you are narrowing down the word 'fighting' to engaging in warfare. But you have to give counter-arguments to the argument that actually engaging in warfare or at least threatening of warfare or bullying achieve foreign policy objectives of the great nations. However, the example of Iran-US deal is not good as anyone who's in touch with media knows that the deal is not closed yet and there are possibilities that it could fail, and Iran is undoubtedly not a great nation. But that depends on what you call a great nation. Some people even call Pakistan a great nation but that's more of rhetoric and less of reason.
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I dont know what all the different opinions are about.
It is a simple essay in which you have to prove that nations win without fighting and by analyzing this statement, we can try to elaborate meanings of different words.
Without Fighting:Fighting means combat here i.e if a country tries to win by fighting and then plundering other nations(Colonialism is an example)
Great Nations:those nations which win without fighting are automatically great.(Of course there are those nations which win by fighting e.g America,UK but they have low moral ground so they cannot be considered as great).
Winning:For god's sake it is not winning a war as nations do not win a war,armies do.Nations win by progressing over time.literacy,standard of life,opportunities for citizens define winning of nations.
Important:Examples can be given from history but you will find very few examples from history as it became possible after world war 2 for nations to win without fighting.Examples from history will mostly prove that nations win by fighting.
Now, a simple outline.
1).write an intro by including the aforementioned points so that the examiner gets an idea that you have a complete understanding of the topic.
2).Give the first example of germany. No fight after WW2 and winning.
3).you can write about switzerland
4).south korea
5)come to asia and include japan
6).neighboring china(No fighting or hegemony like america,still progressing)
7).Muslim countries Malaysia
8).Turkey
9).present the case of pak and india and denounce war by saying that we can win without fighting.
10)conclusion
Note:Of course you will need data to prove by facts nd figures that the above mentioned countries are progressing nd they have not fought.
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I ll differ. The Iran-US deal can be mentioned as an example, that too, if Iran and US fit into our definition of a great nation. The 2000+ words cant just revolve around this single instance ultimately digressing from the main topic and discussing Iran-US relationship.
As I said earlier, that Iran-US nuclear deal is the best example, but i never said that it is the only example.

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We must demonstrate the extent of our knowledge plus pen as many different areas as possible that the topic of the essay can accommodate. If you define fight as a war thats right but what if you add struggle, raising of voice, a resolution, etc. to the meaning and discuss how great nations do that ?
Yes the Essay must cover all the aspects/dimensions.


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I dont know what all the different opinions are about.
It is a simple essay in which you have to prove that nations win without fighting and by analyzing this statement, we can try to elaborate meanings of different words.
Without Fighting:Fighting means combat here i.e if a country tries to win by fighting and then plundering other nations(Colonialism is an example)
Great Nations:those nations which win without fighting are automatically great.(Of course there are those nations which win by fighting e.g America,UK but they have low moral ground so they cannot be considered as great).
Winning:For god's sake it is not winning a war as nations do not win a war,armies do.Nations win by progressing over time.literacy,standard of life,opportunities for citizens define winning of nations.
Important:Examples can be given from history but you will find very few examples from history as it became possible after world war 2 for nations to win without fighting.Examples from history will mostly prove that nations win by fighting.
Now, a simple outline.
1).write an intro by including the aforementioned points so that the examiner gets an idea that you have a complete understanding of the topic.
2).Give the first example of germany. No fight after WW2 and winning.
3).you can write about switzerland
4).south korea
5)come to asia and include japan
6).neighboring china(No fighting or hegemony like america,still progressing)
7).Muslim countries Malaysia
8).Turkey
9).present the case of pak and india and denounce war by saying that we can win without fighting.
10)conclusion
Note:Of course you will need data to prove by facts nd figures that the above mentioned countries are progressing nd they have not fought.
First of all the difference of opinion is because of the two sides/faces of the essay. Winning without fighting and winning with fighting. You have narrowed down the meaning of fighting.
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And how can China be a great nation? I guess the enormous army and nuclear stuffs are not for a show..furthermore, how can we forget the victory of China in 1962 against India? Didnt China fight?

@Micho: The US-Iran deal i mentioned was my response to Ali Reza...
We are in the same direction on this essay.

The counter arguments are easy e.g Canda -- a great nation but having no capability to defend its border when need arises - same for Switzerland and South Korea.
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“The doom of a nation can be averted with the spark of a glowing passion and only those who are passionate among themselves can arouse passion in others”
Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


1) Introduction
2) Retrospect and outlook of Great nations
2.1) Germany and its disturbed region of Bavaria
2.2) France and its unstable island of Corsica
2.3) Great Britain and its independent seeking region of Scotland
2.4) Russian Federation and its relations with central Asia (Eurasian countries)
3) Problems of third world states to become Great nations
3.1) Personal avidity and self-Interest
3.2) Geopolitical agenda by means of using forces
3.3) Regional hegemony by means of fighting
3.4) Political unstable and lack of unity
3.5) Lack of vision oriented leaders
4) Current scenario of third world countries.
4.1) India and Kashmir Issue
4.2) Pakistan and its crippled provinces of Balochistan and KPK
4.3) Bangladeshi politics on History to raise nationalism by fighting
5) Effect on third world countries by means of using force
5.1) Psychological distressed
5.2) Division in society
5.3) Projection of negative image on international communities
5.4) Strict rules and sanctions imposed by developed nations
6) How to become a great nation and win without fighting.
6.1) Shunning personal avidity
6.2) Political will to do attitude
6.3) strengthening good relationships with neighbour countries
6.4) Equality before law at all levels
6.5) Need to adopt strategy of benevolence
6.6) Approach to forget the past and focus on the future mutual understanding
6.7) Positive image on main stream media
7) Conclusion

(more points written can not recall right now )
11 pages, and approximately 2100 words have been seized.
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