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Well i think we should wait for the decision and its approval. And if any such decision is made we should all well come it. I think for any bright and talented student degree is not problem. But i think master degree must be included in the criteria as it is the matter of the most important posts of Pakistan. And if qualification is increased age relaxation must also be given
Annual report 2007 of FPSC says:
"b) Performance of candidates in relation to their last academic
degree
7.23. Data shows that out of the appeared candidates, 46% were Masters
Degree holders, 35% hold Bachelor Degree, 8% Law Graduates, 4%
Engineering and 2% Medical degree holders. In final selection, share of
Masters Degree holders was 49%, followed by simple Graduation 28%,
Engineering 8% Medical 3% and Law Graduate 8% (Appendix-XVI, Table-9).
In view of these statistics, candidates with Engineering or Masters Degree
performed much better than others and got a higher share in selection as
compared to appearance percentages. Relative share according to last degree
of candidates has been shown in figure-9 below.
Education
3%
Bachelors
28%
Engineering
8%
Law
8%
Medical
3%
Masters
49%
M. Phil
1%
Figure 9: Share in Final Selection according to last academic degree of
candidates"
it's given on fpsc website n any1 can check.
Rise above petty self interests n just ponder whether it is justified at all to deprive the 28% segment of finally successful of the opportunity2 appear in CSS.
Obiter dicta: an MA is 2 Dogar guides away so better not use dat as yardstick2 measure maturity. CSS aims at selecting public sector practitioners not RESEARCHERS or LECTURERS. Those fixated wid MA as eligiblity criterion better need2 review their career preferences.
Ratio Decidendi: Chairman FPSC is a jurist so he will definitely place justice as the guiding principle and not limit da competition.
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yaar is report kay mutabik 28% bachelors hain.it proves my point that bachelors too can perform well. for heavens sake do not create a bar on these people.its my humble request to everyone
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I second the opinion on the anticipation that we get to see some mature and learned bureaucrats in the society - rather than inducting immatures and then spending huge chunk of money on their trainings ( this does not obviates the need for training ) and at the end of the day many of them fail in FPOE (Final Passing Out Examination) again.
Let the immature BA enter the competition so dat s/he can also attain da same level of maturity as HIS EXCELLENCY THE MA ..i fail2 understand dat if da BA is so worthless y my learned friend is insisting so much4 throwing him out of da arena ..dnt make CSS da forbidden fruit4 da yet-2-be-groomed BA, at least s/he can learn sumthing from HIS MAJESTY THE MA (perhaps by trickle effect if not by deliberate design) ...let da poor soul stand in THE MA's esteemed league so s/he may grab some wisdom from THE MA's seemingly unlimited resrvoir of intellect+ maturity

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:come on,Cut the Crap, This should have done years back. I think B.A is nuthing but a useless degree keeping in view standard of education in Pakistan. So wat ever is done would ameliorate the Civil Services Of Pakistan..... Have a broader Horizon.....
I advise u2 be da first1 to pay heed2 dis excellent sermon of expanding horizons. Global trends show dat today's CEOs tend2 b young...Harvard Business School and other top Ivy Leage universitiz are preferring younger candidates..now coming2 CSS expanding ur horizons would lead u2 da conclusion dat as per Cost Benefit Analysis, training and other taxpayer expenditure r more likely2 yield higher dividend if BAs get in2 Civil SErvice..they r more likely2:
(a)have a longer career span
(b)b fresh minds so easily imbibe da training's values
(c)b ambitious than the already-exhausted M.As

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I am in favor of the Masters degree requirement. Infact I support it so much that I have already written letters to all concerned persons and also lobbying on my own in certain quarters so that this policy is implemented. Bureaucrats ought be highly educated persons and a bachelors degree does not suffice.
I appreciate ur recommendation n suggest dat the criterion must den b Phd so dat v have a massive segment of bunch of oldies in our civil service who, instead of serving da masses, snore in their offices and wait impatiently4 closing time2.
Wake up prospective civil servants..v need young n active public officials

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FPSC has decided to put up a summary to Establishment Division changing CSS 2011 eligibilty qualification from B.A degree to M.A.
It is also evident from the fact that CSS 2011 public notice is silent as to the eligibility criteria that changes are expected in them.
Now BA degree holders who aspire for CSS 2011 must request Chairman FPSC to enforce this decision from CSS 2012 so that the candidates get suitable time to enrol in MA program. At the same time they will not miss their CSS 2011 attempt.
So all BAs, start writing letters to editor requesting FPSC CHAIRMAN not to allow introduction of abrupt policy changes just 7 months before exam.
hay man dont create an unnecessary tension. this is just a scam. now will you please tell me,from which source you come to know about this matter. there may be a chance of 16 year minimum education to become must for css, but ma no chance, it will diturbs the age limit. e.g the minimum age limit is 22, will you please show me a single person who had done his or her ma at this age level.
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I appreciate ur recommendation n suggest dat the criterion must den b Phd so dat v have a massive segment of bunch of oldies in our civil service who, instead of serving da masses, snore in their offices and wait impatiently4 closing time2.
Wake up prospective civil servants..v need young n active public officials
There is no need to be sarcastic my friend. Its about time that bureaucracy is restored to heights of its pristine past and in order to achieve this, entry barriers must be heightened to ensure that only and only cream makes it. We are the ones who will be responsible for steering this country out of its present and future troubles and a simple bachelors degree won't do.

I agree that bachelors/masters degree is not a measure of ones intellect, dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree. I must also emphasize here that no age relaxation of any sort should even be contemplated.

Masters and max age of 28. Nothing more and nothing less. This would ensure that young and educated brass of the country makes it into the bureaucracy and only those candidates appear who are genuinely interested in well being of the country. The young would challenge the status quo, bring change and introduce innovative policies. Moreover with the ever changing social structure of our society the young are more prone to discourage and disdain from corrupt and unethical practices. Seriously, I can't even think a single rational reason for allowing a 37 year old to sit in the CSS exam. Obviously there can be only two reasons for a 37 year old to try and get into the top echelons of bureaucracy and those are that he

1)Either wants to earn money through illegal means
2)Has failed in his current occupation and wants to switch to public sector

Either way, he is not and must never be welcomed because we do not want the corrupt and failed personalities.

P.S. Please don't say that a 37 year old might want to 'contribute' towards the country, because if he ever even wanted to, he should have done it 10 years back. Its now time to give the reigns of leadership to the young.

I do not even want to go into the debate of young vs old workforce, demerits of quote system and empirical evidence of higher education having a higher correlation with improved on the job performance.
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we appreciate ur efforts.plz carry on.we r with u.

dear members show patience.a beaurucrat must b highly educated bcz in dis modern world bechelor degree is a low qualification.

u must knew the old ICS(indian civil service) criteria was bachelors degree some 150 years ago.

Currently in pakistan for all grade 17jobs minimum qualification is 16 years education.so y only BA for the most prestigious service in pakistan?
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There is no need to be sarcastic my friend. Its about time that bureaucracy is restored to heights of its pristine past and in order to achieve this, entry barriers must be heightened to ensure that only and only cream makes it. We are the ones who will be responsible for steering this country out of its present and future troubles and a simple bachelors degree won't do.

I agree that bachelors/masters degree is not a measure of ones intellect, dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree. I must also emphasize here that no age relaxation of any sort should even be contemplated.

Masters and max age of 28. Nothing more and nothing less. This would ensure that young and educated brass of the country makes it into the bureaucracy and only those candidates appear who are genuinely interested in well being of the country. The young would challenge the status quo, bring change and introduce innovative policies. Moreover with the ever changing social structure of our society the young are more prone to discourage and disdain from corrupt and unethical practices. Seriously, I can't even think a single rational reason for allowing a 37 year old to sit in the CSS exam. Obviously there can be only two reasons for a 37 year old to try and get into the top echelons of bureaucracy and those are that he

1)Either wants to earn money through illegal means
2)Has failed in his current occupation and wants to switch to public sector

Either way, he is not and must never be welcomed because we do not want the corrupt and failed personalities.

P.S. Please don't say that a 37 year old might want to 'contribute' towards the country, because if he ever even wanted to, he should have done it 10 years back. Its now time to give the reigns of leadership to the young.

I do not even want to go into the debate of young vs old workforce, demerits of quote system and empirical evidence of higher education having a higher correlation with improved on the job performance.
Ur argument is based on fallacious premise. Just consider, b it any corporate practice or exam, competition promotes effieciency and raises standards..erecting entry barriers benefits selected few, limits competition, violates universal principle of equal opportunity and results in steep fall in standards.
I invite u2 kindly contemplate and note da self contradictory argument presented by u in ur earlier post which says "I agree that bachelors/masters degree is not a measure of ones intellect, dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree."
Plus no1 is arguing against da expected better performance of an MA but tell me does this in any way justify denial of right2 appear in exam4 da BA.
As4 ur insistence dat the MA would have accumulated more knowledge, nothing0 can judge dis better dan da CSS written portion. As4 da possibility of an MA having acquired more experience or supposedly more maturity than da BA graduate, da FPSC panel of seasoned officials can gauge dat better.
CSS syllabus explicitly says that the level shall b of Bachelors degree. There4 i feel dat da MAs r already overqualified or perhaps dey were a bit slow in opting4 civil service or mayb insecure and tried2 have alternative career path in the fear of anticipated unpleasant outcome.

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we appreciate ur efforts.plz carry on.we r with u.

dear members show patience.a beaurucrat must b highly educated bcz in dis modern world bechelor degree is a low qualification.

u must knew the old ICS(indian civil service) criteria was bachelors degree some 150 years ago.

Currently in pakistan for all grade 17jobs minimum qualification is 16 years education.so y only BA for the most prestigious service in pakistan?
Dear friend, CSS already has an elaborate arrangement4 objective and subjective assessment of da candidates thru devices such as written+psychological+interview. AN MA's requirement would b redundant in presence of such yardsticks.

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i wish to know that there r rumours circulating that every aspirant who is to appear in css 2011 must have master degree idont have this rather i am LLB degree holder am i eligible with my such degree
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Ur argument is based on fallacious premise. Just consider, b it any corporate practice or exam, competition promotes effieciency and raises standards..erecting entry barriers benefits selected few, limits competition, violates universal principle of equal opportunity and results in steep fall in standards.
I invite u2 kindly contemplate and note da self contradictory argument presented by u in ur earlier post which says "I agree that bachelors/masters degree is not a measure of ones intellect, dedication and sincerity however it is also true that a candidate possessing a masters degree would have more knowledge and experience and would generally fare better than a candidate possessing bachelors degree."
Plus no1 is arguing against da expected better performance of an MA but tell me does this in any way justify denial of right2 appear in exam4 da BA.
As4 ur insistence dat the MA would have accumulated more knowledge, nothing0 can judge dis better dan da CSS written portion. As4 da possibility of an MA having acquired more experience or supposedly more maturity than da BA graduate, da FPSC panel of seasoned officials can gauge dat better.
CSS syllabus explicitly says that the level shall b of Bachelors degree. There4 i feel dat da MAs r already overqualified or perhaps dey were a bit slow in opting4 civil service or mayb insecure and tried2 have alternative career path in the fear of anticipated unpleasant outcome.
Fallacious premise? Please let us all know what exactly is 'fallacious' about my argument? That a Masters student is not more learned compared to a Bachelors student? or that an young workforce is more competent, innovative desirable and skillful relative to an old one? I won't be tempted into your delirious and tempestuous assertions.

No one is against competition here, but it must be amongst the worthy. Entry barriers actually ensure that only those who have the requisite qualifications and experience are allowed to compete. If we go by the way of your argument, why restrict the CSS exams to Bachelors only? Why shouldn't FSC pass candidates be allowed to sit in the exam? Why is there Masters requirement on all Grade 17 jobs in the public sector? Why do all MNCs require a Masters degree for lucrative posts? Why do all other organizations scream about potential candidates having a Masters degree? Why this quandary, when according to your preconceived & baseless notions principle of 'equity' should prevail?

A word of advice; You should instead prepare for Masters than waste your time on nitwitted arguments
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First of all there is no need to increase any basic education level. If one is not competent enough he/she won't pass the exam.

Secondly I heard in news, in which someone from FPSC was speaking to the students of the Agri Univesity Faisalabad, that it would be 16 years of education requirement.

Which makes some sense instead of Masters degree because definitely degrees like BS (Hons), BBA (Hons) MBBS, BE Engineering etc are much better degrees than simple BA/BSc.

Requirements nowadays in various jobs are based upon years of education not degree.
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