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This is the thing that's why our country is at the stage of insecurity plz plz this is not the time to discus the past acts of the BB. plz
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hmmmmmmm.... interesting........well all those things r acceptable which v r doing these days rite ?........ no veils,no more kamiz rather long shirts making friends on cell fones and meeting them etc.........is islam just for him ?


well said ... u talked of our society ... well let me tell u abt this society as u r not here.... here things r different now v r more than a modern secular nation today... no one covers her face any more and many other changes have been brought.... thanks to musharaf (all hail the king) ......... so i wud like to place a question for u ........ is islam only for him ?
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hmmmmmmm.... interesting........well all those things r acceptable which v r doing these days rite ?........ no veils,no more kamiz rather long shirts making friends on cell fones and meeting them etc.........is islam just for him ?
My name is Nida.

Before answering your question let me tell you that I am not among those people whom you are reffering to, AlhumdurilAllah. Being a Muslim girl, I do know my limits.

Islam is not just for him, it is for every human on earth and for every Muslim. I don't want to go in much details as the discussion may get off from the topic. The only thing that I would like to say is that there are certain things which are classified as right while others as wrong in Quran. For me the right is right and the wrong is wrong. Neither can the right be proven as wrong nor the wrong can be proven as right. And doing so will mean denying what Allah has made right and wrong for us. All that has been shown in the pictures is wrong and not at all acceptable, no matter who does it. All deserve the same.

Not living in Pakistan does not mean that I am not aware of all the happenings there. I do visit Pakistan and am well aware of the society that you are talking about. But before being a Pakistani we are a Muslim and belong from a Muslim society where all that the pictures show is not acceptable. And Bilawal is a Muslim. If it was done by any other boy/girl, I would have treated him/her the same way.

If you want to discuss Islam and society in Pakistan, start a new thread and we will have a nice debate there.

I hope your question is answered.
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gotcha another hypocrite leader.easy as beans duh.
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@BILAWAL BHUTOO ZARDARI

GENTLEMEN!!YE BILAWAL KE US WAQAT KI PICTURES HAN JB ABI WO CHAIRMAN(PPP) NAI BANA THA.....MAIN US KO JUSTIFY NAI KAR RAHA BALKI YE UK KA CULTURE HA.....WAISE BI YE US KI PERSONAL LIFE HA.......IF HE EFFORTS FOR A DEMOCRATIC VISION (YE WAISE HOTA KAAM HI HA) TU PHIR HAMAIN US KI PERSONAL LIFE SE KIYA GARAZ.......MAY BE IN FUTURE WO CHANGE HU JAE.IMRAN KHAN SB KI BHI TU QAUOOM NE 2/3 DOZEN SCANDAL BARDASHAT KIYE HAN NA??AUR PHIR UNFORTUNATELY,ALMOST ALL OUR POLITICIANS HAVE SAME MORAL CHARACTER.......IS NOT IT SO???

SO....HOPE FOR THE BEST BUT PREPARE YOURSELF FOR THE WORST

BELIEVE EVERYTHING TRUST NOTHING........
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I think there is no big difference between Bilawal and other religious and democratic leaders of Pakistan. He is a teenager and young guy. At that time he wasn’t Chairman of PPP. He is living in UK for many years and adapt with British culture. And what about those people who ruled us and ruined our beloved country. Except Muhammad Ali Jinnah, no leader served for Pakistan. They looted national exchequers , spread ethnic violence , made our country vulnerable to foreign invasion etc.

In the light of above misadministration, violation of human rights and massive corruption charges the sin of Bilawal , to have fun with his college friends , worth nothing. I pray to God please give us pious, dutiful and honest leader who lead our country to the path of success and prosperity and run our affairs according to Shariah and Sunnah.
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Well first of all ,no smart man will let this happen .I mean the front picture and with a smile. Second of all ,this is a world of past and cut and this could be rumour and no political and religous sources declared such photos as mqm did with imran khan so this unidentifed source could be a young boy having some experince in photography.third ,if this is right then he will not sit in parliment however if this is critiaria then there is no parlimantiran left includign our sharper speaker shaikh rasheed ahmed. Fourth ,this could be a picture with his closest friend of oxford who might be good ladies but they dress like this as we never went to meet them in oxford.but we have to wait and see that shall any responsible source declare such images .
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The main difference b/w a common man and a leader is CHARACTER...
if one should b a good leader , one should made his character strong,,

The question is not that Why bilawal is doing all this,, but the main objection is that a leader should not do like thiis

In west, a common man has all bad habit, drinking, smoking, and many many,, which in east only can be imaginated, but if a leader is indulged in all habit,, to uss leader ka jaloos nikal diya jata hy..

America is forfather of all the evil and devil, but they Throw the clinton-monica scandal, into the world,, what's all this,,
Does clinton don't have right to spend his personal life, according his wish?/


yes clinton has right to do, what he wants,, but president of America don't...
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“Blessed be He in Whose Hand is the dominion; and He is Able to do all things.” (67: 01)


The very essence of an Islamic state is that sovereignty belongs to God.

The sovereignty exercised by a ruler in an Islamic state is a sacred trust bestowed on him by God:

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“Then We appointed you viceroys in the land after them that We might see how you behave.” (10: 14)
The rulers are to practice and implement the commands of Allah which have been laid down in the Quran.

As all the affairs of an Islamic state must be transacted by counsel, the ruler or political leader of the state is also appointed through consultation:

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“And those who respond to their Lord and keep up prayer, and whose affairs are (decided) by counsel among themselves….” (42: 38)
Once appointed, the leader has to manage all affairs by consulting those around him. Further, those who give advice are required to do so conscientiously and judiciously, or refrain from giving the same. Also, the view of the majority carries great weight in Islam and the ruler is bound to pay heed to it.

It is important to note that obedience to a leader is contingent on his imposition and enforcement of Islamic principles. Where the ruler deviates from the right path, he is no longer entitled to compliance by the people. In other words, if the government fulfils the requirements imposed by the Quran and the Sunnah, its claim to the allegiance of the people becomes absolute. The Prophet said:

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It also becomes evident that the accountability of the ruler or political leader of an Islamic state is twofold:
  1. He is answerable to God, as power bestowed on him by God is a sacred trust; and
  2. To the people who are his subjects.
A leader should exercise wisdom and discernment:

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“He grants Hikmah to whom He wills, and he, to whom Hikmah is granted, is indeed granted abundant good.” (2: 269)
This is of the essence as he has many a time to take decisions keeping in view not only the need of the time but also its long term effects.

The Treaty of Hudaibiya illustrates the concept of long term benefits. Entered into with the Quraish of Makkah by the Holy Prophet, what prima facie seemed to be tilted in favour of the Quraish was actually beneficial to the Muslims and indeed set the stage for the expansion of Islam to the Arabian peninsula.

A political leader or ruler should have courage. History is replete with stories of ordinary men who became great leaders through show of valour that not everyone can muster.

A political leader must be morally upright and pious. The leader is not only accountable for his actions but also serves as an example to his subjects who more often than not tend to emulate him. The Holy Prophet’s honesty and integrity earned him the titles of Al-Amin (the trustworthy) and Al-Sadiq (the truthful) even before he received the first revelation. The four caliphs who represent the glorious period in Islam also put piety and moral uprightness on a high pedestal in all affairs.

A political leader or ruler is expected to exercise both patience and endurance as he may face trying circumstances. The Prophet and his followers endured brutal opposition from the Quraish of Makkah yet they persevered.

Also, a political leader should be committed to a point where he does not abstain from making personal sacrifices. It has been reported that Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq gave up his own business on becoming the first Caliph. Therefore, he took a small amount from the Bait-ul Maal to support his family. Considering this to be a loan, on his deathbed, he instructed his family to turn over all his possessions to the Bait-ul-Maal.

A political leader in Islam, though elected by consent, can be held accountable if he transgresses the injunctions contained in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.
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Think of past and present leaders. It is apparent that each famous leader is a person of strong character. Over one's lifetime, character has to be developed painstakingly. It is strength of character that makes a person truly great.

"Imamat" (Leadership) by Allama Iqbal

Tu nay poche hay Imamat ke Haqeqat muj se
Huq tuje mere tara Saheb-e-Asrar kare

Hay wahe tere zamane ka Imam e Barhaq
Jo Tuje Hazer o Mujod se Bezar kare

Mut ke Ayene main tuj ko dekha kar Rukh-e-Dost
Zindagi tere lye aur be dushwar kare

De ke Ihsas-e-zian tera laho garma de
Faqar ke saan chara kar tuje Talwar kare

Fitna-e-Millat e Biza hay Imamat os ke
Jo musalma(n) ko salateen ka parastar kare

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Jo honay hain Abhi, Wo Hadsay Zanjeer kar laina..

Nazar Shola,Zuban Khanjar,Kalam Shamsheer kar Lainaa..
Hamain bhi aa Gaya hay,Khuwabon ko Tabeer kar lainaa..

Zameen bhi Paon say Nikli, Sokon ho gaya Gharat…
Bara Mehnga Para hay,Aasman ko Tas'kheer kar lainaa..

Azab Rut-jagay nay Mujhsay mairay Khuwab Cheenay..
Ye Sach bhi Zindagi key Bab main Tehreer kar lainaa.

Khud apni aag main Jalnay ka Kuch Ehsas to ho ga…
Mukabil Shams kay, Aayena-e-Ghar Tameer kar lainaa…

Yahan jaysi Guzarti hay Guzaaro Zindagi Babar…
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