Nice discussion here,

The difference between the failed countries and the succeeded ones is not the age of the country.

This can be shown by countries like India & Egypt, that are more than 2000 years old and are failed.

On the other hand, Canada, Australia & New Zealand, that 150 years ago were inexpressive, today are developed countries and are Succeeded.

The difference between failed & succeeded countries does not reside in the available natural resources.

Japan has a limited territory, 80% mountainous, inadequate for agriculture & cattle raising, but it is the second world economy. The country is like an immense floating factory, importing raw material from the whole world and exporting manufactured products.

Race or skin color are also not important: immigrants labeled lazy in their countries of origin are the productive power in Succeeded European countries.

What is the difference then?

The difference is the attitude of the people, framed along the years by the education & the culture.

On analyzing the behavior of the people in success & developed countries, we find that the great majority follow the following principles in their lives:

1. Ethics, as a basic principle.
2. Integrity.
3. Responsibility.
4. Respect to the laws & rules.
5. Respect to the rights of other citizens.
6. Work loving.
7. Strive for saving & investment.
8. Will of super action.
9. Punctuality.

In failed countries, only a minority follow these basic principles in their daily life.

We are not failed because we lack natural resources or because nature was cruel to us.

We are failed because we lack attitude.

We lack the will to comply with and teach these functional principles of Success & developed societies.

you can see in our country, Chief justice needs justice and even he had been beaten , Ex-Chief of Army Staff our President needs security, Law Makers break law of land, national heroes treated as prisoners and so on……

Geographical Position



Talk about majority



Culture


No i don't think so , take one more example , when in 2005 earth quake came in Pakistan , Our Muslim brothers helped eachother regardless of culture and language difference



Language

Ya because they need to be updated with current happenings





Oh talking about different culture n religion , Our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had totallly different culture from us , Agree?
If we would have consider these facts ( the one u have mentioned) , we would not believe in what our Prophet(PBUH) has said , at the first place
And about language , yeah there are dfifferent languages spoken in Pakistan , but we have our nation language Urdu , in which we can communicate , so i don't think it would make any difference.




What if I say that ur posts show injustice ??
You're saying this because she had totally different veiws from urs??

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In that particular discussion I was not saying to Miss Bushra that she did injustice my point was Lal Mosque Karachi and Operation Etc

She has freedom of speech and I love to be listen all the argument on it


@ Dear Usman

1st of all let me tell you India is 3rd largest growing economy brother how can you say this failed???

1. Ethics, as a basic principle.
2. Integrity.
3. Responsibility.
4. Respect to the laws & rules.
5. Respect to the rights of other citizens.
6. Work loving.
7. Strive for saving & investment.
8. Will of super action.
9. Punctuality.


and dont you feel that in all this we have been failed

you your self qoute the exaple of C J so what else prove we need how can we talk about other Justice

EU has also been formed for CHIRISTIANS thats why they didn't allow Turkey to join.


I was talking about the Muslim govt in Afghanistan not the American. We all know that Pakistan didn't even have to bother about the Western borders before Afghan war.

Well I do mind such statemnets about Pakistan. I think the problem is with the MIND.

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we think very wrong when we say as a muslim we must be united.if it is so than y muslims are in trouble every where. a nation emerges with common notions of life, with common believes of different aspects of life. Religion does not make a nation.
for a being a developed nation we will have to think out of the box, as majority of our population is instilled with backward notions. it is believed that we are not following islam therefore we are in such humiliating condition.this is not the story. offering prayers is not necessary for economical progress.

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our struggles will not end but ,certainly,life.

They are developing but are they developing as one nation? It is said in military circles (even there own) that Indian Army is the chain that has tied India together and it must be brutal and cruel to keep it united. They have faced even severe problems in there country and they are still facing.

Secondly who has seen 2050? Even if Indians claim to be a super power by 2015 we should be here to challenge.

There economy is growing but the economy itself is capitalists' economy.

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@ Hurriah

Being Muslim we must follow the religion not our own created culture where we have made lot of changes like Basant , new years
I am not against of all this but you have given the reference of Islam

We must take care one thing we don’t Use Islam Quoting for own benefit

Like

Jis na ik Insan to mara us na puri insiyat ko mara

Very next

Jis na ik Insan to Bachya Goya us na puri insiyat to bachya

And let let me tell you Hurraih this time in assembly of Balochitsan they have avoid to take the oath in Urdu they have taken their own mother tongue

Can you tell me why? It’s on the record you can confirm there

Being nation we don’t take care most of time when injustice has been done with one province

Like Nawab Akbar Bughti has been Saheed by Govt

A Person who was the X-Governor he has been killed because he was asking for his Right

I have been many time there are lot of place Where Balochistan has been ignored

Injustice is main cause of Terrorism

We don’t forget the history of 1971

We must tried to sought the problem if we killed our own people like we have been doing in Mushraf era and now In northern areas so we will face many problems

About Miss bushra I have already mention my point was of injustice of Lal mosque Karachi and Operation etc


@ Zaman

Really I will agree with you and with Dr Junaid

Being good Muslim we will never face a single problem which we have been facing today

We have lost the path

We made used to day
Pakistan ka Matlab kya

Now tell me where is Islam is implement in our country

So why I guess we talk being nation why we are not like other nation
China
Even India
Is much better now from us

You will find so many religion there

Becuse We Talk And Talk Only And Still Talking,Taliking And Just Thinking and Thinking is Making Us Weak Practically....Europians and Americans Havent Taliked so Much.They Kept on Working and Working.Ending up with Iqbalz Shair..........AQAL KO TANQEED SE FURSAT NAHIN>>>ISHQ PAR AMAAL KEE BUNIAD RAKH>>>

A nation is too big a word for the inmates of this Pak land.I dare say the people living in the vast swathes of our country cannot be called a nation.Frankly i myself haven't come across any befitting definition which bestows the honour of Nation on the people of our land.Faraz has pointed out some superficial factors required in the making of a nation but they don't peep into the bottom.

First the Two nation theory should be answered.Ok we rode on the tide of it and achieved our independence.Good for those times,substantiated.The 1971 debacle of dhaka was a pure case of perpetration,victimisation and subjugation.We can add several cultural differences and ethnic qualifications which worked up to lead to the dismemberment.No religious unity worked to bridge the differences then.

second,how many among us really care for the success of the nation.Don't tell me that some 8000 aspirants of css possess all qualities of head and heart to gift the country its most required award-success.If we look around us we see massess aloof of politics and political noises.What on earth has a farmer to do with success of the country?How can a Phd candidate care for the success of the nation if he faces strong internal and external forces ready to bog down his research.i want summarize in a nutshell.All the ills and predicaments present in a society,off course in Pakistani society,have been socialised in it.Awareness,understanding,learning and all other emotions sound elusive at least for us.

Now towards Islam.I wouldn't allude to the so called Sharia pill-A panacea for all the diseases of this country.Islam in reality is a social glue.It has the tendency to absorb all cultures and purge them of any adulterations.No second opinion should be accepted on this issue.it is also put in firm faith that being religious doesn't mean being theocratic.Islamic teachings are for all individuals and their salvation from prejudices and religious taboos.I bet it,religion is the only true source of renaissance.We need to develop a pragmatic framework to workout our weakest points.

All the regional organisation wether EU,Au,Nafta etc are for economic ties.the glaring failure of OIC is the failure of muslim ummah.Muslim countries have different stakes.we need to go back to Quran.

Lastly the belief which i strongly espouse is the failure on the part of pakistani muslims of not making a practicable administrative system.The administrative system bequeathed to us by English ought to be revised in the light of islamic teachings.Islam is the most liberal and accomodating religion.But we need to do a lot more.Why not set an example like the glorious creation of this land of pure once again.To achieve the unachieveable.In present cirumstances AH! it is just empty rhetoric.

Regards,
Hero

i also disagree with u faraz.....


language n geographical location doesnt make a Nation.its is the unity of the people which makes them a strong and rising nation.

lets take an example of or neighbour country INDIA,where more than 20 languagess r spoken with many diffrent cultures n religions living together,,making the country propsperious;n today they r far ahead than PK who gained independence togather.

geograhical location n culture is secoundry thing for a culture,,,they come once a NATION is established,,,

now,,how does a nation come into being?
merely living togethe doesnt build up a nation,,,u must have the feelings n emotins of being oneself...n this feeling comes mostly from religious coherance.earlier nations were builg on the name of religion but today this distinction is abolished.

Now comning to PK.WHY HAVE WE FAILED,the answere is very simple..
FROM the day ist the seed of hatred among muslims was cultivated in the hearts of pakistanis,,,some sourses divided us into diffrent sects n a race n struggle started among us to convincs otheres that only our sect is right...this resulted in disintegration of nation,,,

same stategy ws applied geographically,,,we divided ourselves into PUNJABIS,,PATHAAN N BALOCH...quarrel over trivial issues on the basis of cast n creed or provincialism...

Why cdnt we build KALA BAGH DAM?just over a dispute between pathan,s n sindhis(i guess)...n today who is suffering?the whole nation..........due to lack of power shortage n water supply besides other factors.

so i think we need to strengthen ourselves irrespective of cast n creed.