My Question is very simple

Why being nation we are failed why we can’t be good nation

Before you guys answer my personal view I hope if any one has clash with it so we can have good health discussion on it

Now my point of view

What make a nation?

• Geographical Position

• Culture

• Language

This is what I think now to prove it I will give few examples

1st
A resident of Lahore who works in Karachi and suddenly one person met him by face he has resemblance from Lahore after knowing that he is from Lahore there is inner self happiness and we feel happy to meet our own city people mostly it happen

2nd
If we listen that some our own city people has been killed in any part of the world it attracts more as compare to other cities

3rd
Same like people who living in abroad they are more keen to listen news of Pakistan

I hope most of people will agree what I have mentioned

Now coming back to my point

In every example when we know that its matter of our city and our country we take more interest in that action

Reason

Geographical position
Language
Culture

But when we talk about Pakistan
4 provinces

Totally different culture
Totally different languages
Totally different geographical position (partially)

Balochistan
• Pashtoon
• Baloch
• Persian
• Punjabi

Culture, language is totally different

Punjab

• It has its own tradition language

Sindh• Again totally different style

NWFP

• Culture, language are different rest of Pakistan


Now I think this one of major reason we have been failed to be a good nation

Here our two nation theory gets failed for what assumption we make our mother land

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Disagree

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You are absolutely rite dear friend, and I would like to add to that:

When people of Pakistan made a state, the state (Pakistan) should get the priority and honor from its people. But instead what I see is people here follow personalities who have charisma over them, and actually forget about the state. This happens to the nations who have been enslaved in the past.

Dear, states are made when people of some geographical location come up to some kind of social contract or a bond, but the case with Pakistan is it came into being from an ideology, instead of social need(s) of people. I feel that is why we failed to have a political system, which is required for a stable state and ultimately build a strong nation. Initial failure of the leadership also has a part to play with the failure.

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Islam is what makes us a nation... we have different cultures no doubt but we are all muslims.. we feel for each other the way we cant fele for people across-border with different religion.. and we are still one nation.. i don think that feelings about pakistan and pakistanis are different regarding natives and overseas..

you have stated different cultures and languages as an argumnet.. let me quote the example of Europian Union.. they even have different countries but they all united at one platform so we can't say that people with different cultures and languages can't unite..

why do we all of us respect Saidia? it isn't about the language or the culture but about the relgious affilaition.. so we are one nation as long as we think more about this sacred land that was founded in the name of Islam and less about the non issues..

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As I asked an other thing too about two nation theory

About political reason I really do agree it was one of an other major reason being nation we have been failed

We give our right( vote) on the personality not on the basis that how much person is good ,honest etc

We give the our vote name of
Bhutoo
Jamli
Chaudary
Shareef

Which is main cause failure of our political system?

Dear as I said, the main reason for failure of our political system is failure of leadership in the early stages of nation building.

There is a difference in making a state and building a nation. We had a state on 14th August 1947, but we still dont have a nation, or we have a premature nation. So we must not confuse existance of a state with presence of a nation.

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Respected bushra,

I really do agree with you being Muslim we are a nation
But I have qualm regarding this

1st
When it matter of Muslim why Iran and Afghanistan is not part of Pakistan?

2nd

Why Bangladesh is not part of Pakistan now?

If we follow the regional of Islam with out debate its best religion Allahumduallah

But dear as I said its culture

Being Muslim we have different culture and languages

Like shade here in Balochistan totally different tradition etc and in Punjab totally different

Now as you said Quote E.U
Dear that a nation they are on advance they are civilized they have civic sense

They know the social value

They have worth of human being

Not like us who is killing his own people in his own country just cause of America

What is happening in NWFP and Balochistan?
Islam does not teach us this
To kill innocent people any where

Well Faraz

About Iran n Afghanistan I will say that" Khalafat main ne khatum nahi thi ke" n even if they are not one country they should stand united..

Bangladesh was not supposed to be a part of Pakistan; refer to the ideology of Pakistan by Iqbal in 1930; he talked about countries not a country. It was about the geographical difference. This was latter adopted to add to difficulties of the newly formed nation. Hindus thought because a number of challenges including this Pakistan would cease to exist independently.

Yeah westerns are civilized and we are in habit of quoting there examples everywhere. If they don kill their people who killed them on 9/11? Why are people from lower classes and from poor states made to join army and die for the vested interest of other Americans?

What is happening in SWAT and Balochistan is not according to Ideology of Pakistan. Tell me what happened in Jamia Hafsa and what happens in Karachi?Iit isn't like just a particular race suffers ...

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Nice discussion Faraz and Bushra
Both of you are thinking on different lines
Dear Faraz, you can’t say that two NATION THEORY is failed.
It’s very clear that being Muslims are a single nation.
And if we are not a nation, it’s our own fault.

What I think that why we are not a good nation
Because of following two reasons

1) Our Personal interests are dominating to our National interest .its fact that Pakistan was made from four different entities and all these entities have different cultures, geographical background and language but we are still scattered, still in confusion of Sindhe ,Balochi ,Pashtun and Punjabi ,we don’t think that we are Pakistani we have a country and we have equal rights in all over the Pakistan .this consensus was not developed because equal opportunities were not provided to every province and because we are not educated ,honest in our duties. And again I will say lack of justice is basic reason that we are not developed to a nation.See the case of India that how many languages and how many sects ,how many cultures but still they are developing and will be superpower in 2050.

2) We are not pure Muslim State. If we would have thought that we are not Sindhes ,Punjabi ,Balochi and only Muslims so we have to live together and care for ourselves then there would be no problem of such type.

We as well as our leadership, both are responsible for this MESS
WE Have to educate people and to produce a national thinking for better future

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M.Zaman
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R/Bushra

As u said that being Muslim we must be united but dear Iran and Afghanistan they are not well wisher just few days back What Mr.Kurzai said I hope you will be well aware of it.
Why we are not united being Muslim
As you said Bangladesh was not in our geographical position to keep in touch with Pakistan

9/11 u know when anything Mishap in all around the world 1st name Pakistan came in to mind why Is it so dear

All the postage which you have posted dear you will find injustice there

In Islam there is no concept of it injustice

Dear when there will be injustice there will be a problem like this because this injustice is main cause of violence

Well, I don't find any injustice in her posts. She's just expressing her views like you.

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P.R.