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For me! the worst kind of DEMOCRACY is far better than the Best kind of MILITARY Rule! So, I would like to put my weight in the scale of DEMOCRACY.
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@sikandarhayat :- i think euphemistic bent of language is better than direct show... u see, we all know in our very hearts the language of truth when we were born.. but no body understood our language enfolded in cries, now we have covered cries with some known language that every one understands..
There are many contradictions in your point of view.. may be these tell us more about your feeling towards government,how brutally we have been damaged.
1.your argument that in police investigation who benefited most from a loss of sm one should be primarily targeted ,or shud be starting point... in this case u say that zardari benefited from it.. my question is can u prove it otherwise? can u prove from this assumption that zardari was the culprit behind the scenes? he was b.b's husband; so it is but natural that he was a beneficiary. mumtaz bhuto cud not have been,nawaz cudnt hv been. its illogical.
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america`doesn't wants the judges to be restored.the reason is missing persons case.please read tariq ali's book.america unequivocally told paksitani ppp that do whatsoever but don't restore judges.
is this your argument ? this is not as simple as missing persons case.. there is lack of union among stakeholders. if governt of pak is pursuing one policy, and its institutions pursue other agenda..then how can unity be maintained. secondly, judges should be instated but what is the logic behind this? NRO, and manythings if counted out, tell me from ur good books; suppose judges are restored,would justice be restored also? common men on street doesnt have fee to pay for cases..and charges for lawyers...on the other hand lawyers,most if not all,are gluttons.with their lean tummies ovrfilled with money.. where do u start to change this system..where articles of law are rigourously changed into sth where delay of justice is only result.. look i m not saying that there are not exceptions.. but tell us on a general account, never in our history our basic rights were gurranted.. we are fighting, giving vent to our emotional outbursts,but there is no visible enemy except smoke....
3. i agree that pakistan saw face of humiliation during partition of bengal. we should learn from it.
4. things about R.Malik are outspoken. mild language wud help u not only here but also in exam,cos such euphemisism only leads to failure..

i m sorry if ur feelings are hurt.
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Well, although i voted for military form of gov , cuz its been more successful here than any democratic gov . specially in case of foreign affairs .

but the most imp thing for me is that who is sincere with country , u can find army generals to be corrupt as we find many of political leaders . the only difference is "commitment and Sincerity " . Somehow i feel , may b its becuz of training of army ppl that they still have some sense alive in them regarding Integrity and self respect .

i am talking abt the form of gov as whole , not on indiviual scale .

pak faced worst form of military gov from 1980 till 1988 and a relatively better form of democratic gov in 1973 onwards . yet political instability has continued uptil now due to personal egos.

whoever thinks for country is better . See country comes first , the common welfare of ppl in it comes first .

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Arrow militay govt or civilian govt is better for pakistan?

To the best of my knowledge,i would like to share that democracy one of the best form of govt as ever compared with any govt.
Democracy as explained by Seeley:-"a govt in which every one has a share."
further explained by other writers such as Gettel,
that"Democracy is that form of govt in which the mass of the population possesses the right to share in the exercise of sovereign power"
as as seen in pakistan when its representatives are elected by the people of pakistan,they forget the promises made to the people during the elections while persue their personal agendas and purposes,but unfortunetely,we do not learn lesson from past.take the current govt that our president is repeatedly saying that we got the mandate of providing roti,kapada and makan not got the mandate to dipose the judges but benazeer is not here,who would rather tell him that without and independent judiciary provision of roti kapada and makan is not possible.wat is the real meaning of democracy.Is it the defination of democracy that a dictator who has imposed emergency on judges and media should be left free.freedom of speech,which is the essence of politics and democracy should be baned and only given to those people who are sitting in presidential house?
lastly,i would like to advise that the world is watchng us and making jokes of our leaders and judges.it is my humble suggestion that all political parties should come to one platform and give up their differences and form a coalation govt so that we can move forward and can compete in 21st challenges of the world.lastly,one point should be noted that the world is planning to make houses to the moon and space but we are made busy in our internal matters.
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This is a fantastic debate but its common ,i think so let it be more common by bringing common points.. We are talking too much ..who failed whom , who occupied whom , is not the point ..coz its nature ... Does an of us realy know what is the constituation of pakistan ., Does any body understand that why military becomes acceptable and why democracy fails ...Actually being frank ,whether its democracy or dictarorship ,its all about power .. the constiuation reflect that the soverginity belongs to allah and we are the guardian of the power ..Actually being guardain is also a great thing ..see islamic history , u will find that even the jayad sahabs have been sometime fought about power ,what happend in jang jamal and what happend in karbal is also .. The reality is allah is powerfull and islam is most prominint religion of the world and pakistan is also an important country .. .The problem lies in the leadership ..President want to have the power of 58(2b) ,the prime minister want to have power over military , military want power over judicary and judicary over again president ..my friend ,this is power game ..And who cares about democaracy ..My city hyderabad is as same as it was in my childhood and my grandpa say that he used to go to Sakhi abdul wahab shah and now i am goning ..So basically its problem of psyche ..A truck driver just drive on bypass ,we cant imagine how he feels ,what he thinks about politics ,what he knows about the history of our military and political regime..what a raksha wala cares ..What an beaurocrate and civil servent or ...lawyer care ..its just our imagination which makes things better or worse..Let change your imagination then military neither democracy will affect you negatively..let this world move ..let us pass CSS .. then see we will also becoem a part of system ..Isnt it dangrous ..Yes it is ..
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Pakistan is a nation yet immature for something so complex such as democracy. It is a failed concept, as is seen in countries that are the torch-bearers of democracy, like USA and India. Many of us are aware that even the US president is merely a pawn. The real people always work behind the scenes and push their agendas towards their sponsored/selected president- we know them as the neo-cons. Modern democratic setup is a mirage set up for the general public to restrain them from revolting, like they have in the past against monarchies and dictatorships.

1. For every soul in a nation to practice their will- their 'Will 'also needs to be dependable and worthy of count. Now, how far can we go to acknowledge the will of a tonga wala when he is confronted with the issue of whether to build the Kalabagh dam or not? Does he have the necessary information (he needs to be able to read on varied ideas; certainly cant trust the media which can easily be directed in favor of or against something)? Does he have the necessary analytical approach to wade through political drama? I think he will lack it because that is all provided by education. Pakistan is still largely a nation of uneducated public which cannot decide in the best interest of the country. So until our literacy rate is not upto 100% , democracy cannot be practiced with its full potential.

2. The current theory of democracy is in essence insufficient,faulty and incomplete. Can u see the irony in a mere 442 individuals in the parliament representing 18 million people! How can such a small quantity address the problems of an entire nation? And because this small quantity has the authority to take decisions on behalf of their whole constituencies, it gives birth to illegal and unlimited power to exploit resources to their advantage. Feudals in Pakistan, have thrived due to this system- now they not only reign supreme over their peasants but also over middle-class and educated individuals like us, who are often in a better position to lead THEM had it not been for their lands and wealth. So there has to be a much more efficient and effective system which would empower the people much more than it does the 'Chosen few'.

3. Until the time we are apt enough to handle a re-engineered democracy, we need a very honest, very strict dictator, military or no military ,who would be the progeny of a merciless revolution. All the unfavorable elements of the current social setup will have to go for good. This includes :
-No Indian infiltration in any walk of life and certainly no CBM's Chicken crap until the core issue of Kashmir is solved,
-Severing of all diplomatic relations with USA
-Total and ruthless elimination of feudalism and feudals, provincialism ( a result of the former), corruption along with a general drainage of the corrupt, political parties ( they are also responsible for inculcating a segregated Pakistani society).

Until and unless the above and a lot more isnt accomplished, Pakistan will remain at its current juncture in another 100 years as well. And the wound has become so deep that, very drastic measures must be taken to bring about a profound effect. There is no solution but to get hold of all the unfavorable elements and give them a public hanging with crowds cheering in jubilation and the honest and able need not worry, for they will be utilized in nation-building in time. This will set the precedent for generations to come.

And to achieve all this, I dont think any so-called democratic system such as this is capable.
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in my view Favouring Military rule OVer Democracy Among Youngsters is that they ( i am Also Included among Them ) are More Energetic and wants their leaders and Rulers to be so ,and they wants quick decisions and their implementations.
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AOA,,,,,,,,
Dears, I am agree
Worst Democracy is better than the best Dictatorship
Because in Democracy every one can arise his voice against cruel. It is Democracy that allow Lawyers, PML(N) and other political parties and public to arise their voice. It is fruit of Democracy that we success to restore the sacked judiciary. I think in dictator regime, we could never do this.
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