Lol trust me. real Islam has much in common with real socialism,None of them has been practiced in its pure form.Islam was pure only in Prophet's timeafter his demise:muslims were so freaking greedy that they started an uprising against Prophet's own son in law,Hazrat Ali(A.S) after the martyrdom of Hzrat Umer Farooq(A.S.) and Hazrat Abubakar(A.S.). Now i am not a shia ,in fact i do not believe in sectarianism but the more I am researching into the Islamic history and the contemporary history,I see a very interesting trend.Islam was already on the brink of destruction when Imam Hussayn(A.S.) was martyred.Yazeed was a womanizer and its widely documented that he found solace in alcohol and liked to keep the comapny of women. So women fell from their position,the respected,loved and taken care of positions to the very ground-level where they were at from the centuries.

The problem is not the woman,its in being a woman and asking for her mere rights.The only reason women have been subjugated for centuries is their physical condition which is ofcourse much weaker than men.Before the ploy was that adam ate the apple cuz of Eve,so punish all the daughters of Eve by subjugating them,by making them sex slaves,depriving her of education,basic rights and sacrificing her on every altar possible.Two majors Monotheistic religions(Christianity and Judaism) of the world believe that.Islam is the only one which puts the blame of eating the forbidden fruit on both Adam and Eve.

Now talking about Islam brings me to another point,which is the fear of God.When a muslim man or woman spends his or her life according to the principles of Islam,he does so in order to please Allah.Everytime they help someone,take care of haqooq ul ibad they know they are doing it for the sake of Allah.But when the fear of God,khaufe khuda becomes a distant thought,and man becomes god or starts misusing his physical or financial powers,thats when catastrophe happens.

Hazrat Zainab (A.S.) ,female,revolutionist,a great orator,member of Prophet (PBUH)'s family was forced to go through 36 cities bareheaded by the so called muslims and some of the worst men ever.She continues to be my guiding star.Jeanne de Arc,strong fearless burnt by men.Olympe de Gouges, the woman who counter attacked declaration of rights of men by writing declaration of rights of women,highly controversial document at the time.Rabia Basri,great Sufi poet,and probably the only woman in high sufi orders...

examples are a lot.I can go and on.But nothing will change the condition of women.Many of the rights that first wave and second wave feminists fought for are still to be granted.Women are still playing in the hands of men even though when they think they are emancipated.sometimes willingly,sometimes unwillingly.

Somewhere she is battered in the name of religion,somewhere in the name of society and somewhere in the name of liberty.and funny thing is,she accepts the situation.Sometimes she talks back but today real feminism is extinct only pseudo feminism exists which is nothing but a heartless effort by a few people to get famous and make their name.

I wish someone would bring real Islam back,but who,these 72 sects who all believe in their own *real* Islam.

My answer to fight this devastating situation is to live your life as you wish but in the limits prescribed by your family and religion. Improve your literary skills and beat the world with the rod of your education.Trust me Quran shareef and Sunnat is the best thing that u can copy but read Quran shareef yourself first without anyone explaining it,the right guidance will come in due time and read the 6 authentic books of Sunnah.Thats it. Quran Shareef puts a lot of light on how women should be treated.

I think we are forgetting the real crux of issue which hinders in the way of women empowerment. be it the patriarchal society of yesterday or today, we had and we have the 'honor factor' of our female foke. A religion can gives us principles, if they are not implemented in a society, then there mere appearance in all the holy books has no meaning. I think, a society where gender differenc is at high, no women can dare to take initiatives.

(Please don't take only the cases of urban societies, also think about the atrocities which the women are facing in tribal societies)

women can not escape from the greedy shackles of men. unless and untill, there is a society based on ethics, which seems a utopia, in the current economic and power exploitation given to us by new world order at the cost of our values system.

can we challenge the new world order, or can we create a new world order, or shoud we go to break our status quo.

the real debate should be about....dogmatism vs pragmatism, enlightened moderation vs conservatism.... and many like vs's.

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aoa dear member its encouraging to know that so many people,infact itellectuals,r thinking the same way
yes she is reponsible for her ordeal,yes wrong interpretation,giving up ijtahad is our dilemma,we all agree with this.But what next???should we leave the things the way they r?of course not!the jihad in this regard has become obligatory specially on women themselves.robortic age,nuclear age whatever you call it,for her personal n mental staus(with exception to few) is nothing different than that f stone age.she is taking all pains to be in pain.liberation from this self imprisonment has become the first n for most thing to be done before work on other outer factors cn be initiated
so what my respected fellow members think can be done in this regard?


another fact that might support the view regrding need for her to raise is the current debate at the international level with respect to particularly muslim women.
they looking her being the most subugated among the other women.she is the focus also because she is the one following strictly(though assumed) dress code.this is the best way she can work on what Islam gives her n then adopt it. it would also work as a worldwide implied promulgation of islam.

thank u all

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with due respect, Islam does not give us forms, or readymade garments, rather it gives principles, (essence) which can be practice in either culture. we should not limit Islam to a particular cultural dressing. women empowerment varies from culture to culture, lets take the example of Karo Kari (Honor Killings) infact not given by a religion. even within pakistan one can finds various treatments towards women. Jihad, if taken with its broad connotations, should be waged to remove the ignorances embodied within the cultural outlooks of our society.
unfortunately, today, those champions, who are claiming of doing Jihad, never fought for the rights of women, rather for their political motives. and their attitude towards women remained pathetic. they tried to impose their own version of Islam, which was indeed the imposition of their own cultural outfits. and if i am not wrong their version will not be women friendly....will it be????


we should comeout of cultural ignorances and dogmatic approaches.

for that the solution lies in educating people.

Slogan
EDUCATION and only EDUCATION to remove IGNORANCE.

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re read my post sis my point is no difffernt than that f urs.taking jihad in its broader meaning here jihad means striving for the just cause.she should stop depending on men for understanding islam.they should begin the the job themselves for Islam(in correct understanding of islam by world) n for generations to come.THINK...

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Well, as i said in another thread that CULTURE is more powerfull then RELIGION, so we sometime confuse cultural paractice with religious practices. Have u seen the social condition of women in north west frontier province and tribal areas of FATA ? is it due to islamic teaching or their culture ?
So the powefull section of the society, with the help of religious leaders, declare the cultural practices as islamic practices and nobody can speak against it.
Similarly, if u see muslim women in other cultures like in west, in Turkey and Malaysia, u will find a quite different picture although they are also true muslims like the women of our tribal area !
So, there is nothing to worry at all as both sections of women are behaving according to the norms of their society.
Change is a slow process and if u r in hurry, then arrange for a REVOLUTION to bring change is society. Revolution can be brought through the power of ballot in civilized society or through the power of GUN in other socities where the principle of MIGHT IS RIGHT is practised. Now decide which socity we are ?

@Kawish
I had considered your point, and I do agrre with u..... for the struggle from women's part for their own liberation from the shackles of cultural emprisionments. but the question is, can the desperate women foke can wage a war against the established cultural norms, sometimes, this very innocent women, respects cultural norms, at the cost of her own rights.
also, there is no any universal agreed definition of women rights, in each society and each culture the status of women is at different stages.
only educated women can understand their abject position or otherwise. illiterate women, even does not knows what the rights are. she can only blames her fate..... so education creates realization.

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dogmatism and pragmatism may be well defined terms but enlightenment and orthodoxy are extremely subjective terms.Everyone has their notion of these two.Would you please elaborate upon what you mean by them?

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what we are trying to discuss here is not about religion,i said in one f my previous posts that islam is not problem.taking a broader picture as u did by focusing on women in evey kind f socity but take it differently.she is suffering in every society.whether she is affraid f taking risk n averse to sacrifice.taking pains to be in pain r what is this n y is this?her love for ease n talking abt muslim women her detachment from pursuing truth in islam is the cause!

dear saba dnt u think that educated woman is suffering even more.education creats self awareness n sesatize one abt every aspect f life n gener awareness abt one's pains n sufferings.bt she is nt able to overcome her problems whether she b educated illitrate modern r conservative liberal r subjugated

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Religion? People obey religion, no they obey culture and women's respct is a matter of our culture not of religion. Religion has provided her best values and declared her half emaan.
Take a deep breath and think about our present life. What is more attractive to us, religion or culture. We consciousally follow religion but unconsciousally follw culture.

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