[QUOTE=S_Ranjha;178938]Y u ppl are mixing a field of knowledge with a profession. I did Engg not to get a handsome job wid a big salary package but coz i wanted to learn few things. Nd my this desire isn't gonna end by me opting 4 CSS. I ll still be learning new things from my field nd applying them wherever possible. I can speak on the behalf of engrz that they are much better equipped to handle a daily life issue or situation which has got nothing to do with dere degree just coz they have developed sound analytical approach to analyze the prob nd come up with solutions. This approach can be applied in any field or profession and is not limited to any particular profession[/QUOTE]

well Mr Ranjha
You are right in your opinion that having a background of Science/Engineering imparts analytical skills that helps you deal in detecting and solving a social problem, but I strongly believe that if a student has an ultimate aim of doing CSS he/she should not go for Medicine/Engineering rather he/she should opt for social sciences and humanities. It's far easy for a good student to excel in CSS if he has a degree in social sciences bcz CSS in its essence tests how well educated is a candidte regarding society. However if ''that'' good student first does Med/Engg then he has to work more in preparing for CSS.

[QUOTE=Maha Khan;178054]i strongly believed that doctors and engineers should not join civil service,but we have no right to confine them in their medical field...since independence bureaucracy is so strong in our country..everyone wants to get power&prestige in our status conscious society...these factors obviously prompt the doctors and engineers to join civil service...:sad,they leave their profession and in this way waste government money, their medical seat,and arts student'seat in civil service:Dnodoubt they are more intelligent&hardworking than arts'students...[/QUOTE]

i do not agree with you. Engr and doc are most valueable people of country they are cream, but jobs for engr and doc are not available these days
i want to give you example i am engr UET Taxila(electrical+telecom specializtion) i have clear so meny test and interviews but still jobless there is no merit in this country i passed railway test under FPSC for SIGNAL AND TELLECOM ENGINEER i applied one year ago passed it, now i came to know that railway has taken back that vacancies. so much disappointment 2 year passed my graduation not get job of 10k why i did this engr. so engr and doc do?

[QUOTE=Unique;179150]well Mr Ranjha
You are right in your opinion that having a background of Science/Engineering imparts analytical skills that helps you deal in detecting and solving a social problem, but I strongly believe that if a student has an ultimate aim of doing CSS he/she should not go for Medicine/Engineering rather he/she should opt for social sciences and humanities. It's far easy for a good student to excel in CSS if he has a degree in social sciences bcz CSS in its essence tests how well educated is a candidte regarding society. However if ''that'' good student first does Med/Engg then he has to work more in preparing for CSS.[/QUOTE]

Bro i never meant to say that ppl coming from background of social sciences or Arts are not talented enough. My point is that unfortunately our educational system for Arts n social science group hardly has to offer anything which helps develop analytical skills required for finding solutions. So i still ll say that engineering offers u good enough practice to help build ur abilities to utilize them to their fullest. What goods our system imparts to a person doing BA???? I never found one. I know i did my BA pvt wid maximum of 48 hours of prep for all the papers nd i scored more than 90% of the candidates coming after 2 yrs of college studies. Here my point is not that im anything better than they were. My reservations is with da system coz im sure that college staff n system of those 90% students had not motivated them enough even fr a 48 hrs study in 2 whole yearz!!

No offence meant. Dese r just my views nd i own them
Regards

Css is like a gamble,simply by appearing in the exam doesn't guarantee that you'll clear it in the first go so one should always have a backup plan,its not that we simply burnt our boats.At the moment,I am looking for a job and at the same time studying for the post-graduation exam and everyone else is following the same path.

Imdad is pretty right....in times like these, you cannot stay at a single place...i mean those who consider getting a job or going for masters the end of life, they should reconsider again!

these days you have to try for every option that you come across....and while you are on a job, you ll have to study and prepare yourselves for masters or study the material relevant to your field..

even securing a position in css would not mean that the struggle is any way near to being over...

dear...

as far as your assertion about BA or MA or even MSC is concerned, i fail to disagree with you...but being an engineer myself, i know the condition of engineers, and for that matter i can safely assume the standings of the doctors, as well...so even our Public universities are not doing any gud while producing engineers on a scale which may rightly be termed as "Thok k hisaab say"....

Joining is more related to a person's tendency and passion for the civil service than being dejected from his profession.
What if all engineers and doctors are offered lucrative jobs with more perks and salary. Will the number of engineers and doctors reduced amonth the candidates of css? The answer is no.

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I always find it amusing when a few non-medical people out there, due to their ignorance & may I add, with a tinge of jealousy, point out fingers at us and say whatever they have to say, oh yeah...‘analytically’ = )

Keep it simple guys; be content with your educational background, come for this competitive exam if you find yourself having the required aptitude & passion and then let the results say the rest.

And about the authority, respect/fear, influence & blah blah; its very natural to have such insecurities in a mess of a country that we are in, so do gladly join bureaucracy, its your calling.

I can’t say anything about engineering, but like many other fields, gone are the good old days of medical profession, its now a hell of a struggle. And the struggle would have been easily bearable sans any frustration, had the reward been equal compared to the effort that doctors put in and what they go through. Its agonizing for the budding doctors to be the most over-worked and under-payed professionals in Pakistan.

Having said that, medical has its share of some big time pluses too, but thats not the point of discussion here.

I totally agree with Omer, it all comes down to 'what you want'.

It depends from person to person, everyone has their reasons. Sometimes you get oddballs like me who have to do it jus cuz its a family thing.

Also a more relevant question would be regarding the concept of civil servants, to me its absurd and makes little sense. All over the world we have insititutions that train individual for their specific jobs and they progress in their careers through their accomplishments, hiring an engineer or a doctor as a police officer and ignoring an ordinary policeman who has been doing the job for much longer time makes the process extremely disfunctional and is one of the main reasons for corruption at the lowest ranks.

[QUOTE=S_Ranjha;179198]Bro i never meant to say that ppl coming from background of social sciences or Arts are not talented enough. My point is that unfortunately our educational system for Arts n social science group hardly has to offer anything which helps develop analytical skills required for finding solutions. So i still ll say that engineering offers u good enough practice to help build ur abilities to utilize them to their fullest. What goods our system imparts to a person doing BA???? I never found one. I know i did my BA pvt wid maximum of 48 hours of prep for all the papers nd i scored more than 90% of the candidates coming after 2 yrs of college studies. Here my point is not that im anything better than they were. My reservations is with da system coz im sure that college staff n system of those 90% students had not motivated them enough even fr a 48 hrs study in 2 whole yearz!!

No offence meant. Dese r just my views nd i own them
Regards[/QUOTE]


It's just a discussion, so I will not mean it offence in any condition. I myself fully agree with your views and endorse them but When I said a ''degree in social science or arts'' , I never meant the typical Pakistani two years BA. Humanities and social sciences have never been considered an option by students in Pakistan. You were able to score more than 90% BA students while appearing in Private. Who were those BA students? Majority of students who score more than 80% marks go for Medicine or Engineering in Govt sector i.e Govt Med Colleges or U.E.Ts. If they fail, they would like to go for Private MCs or EUs if they can afford to pay for their heavy fee. If they can't afford they would go for allied fields -- med stdents will go for dentistry, pharmacy or clinical psychology blah blah, Engg students MAY go for DAE/B.Tech. First they will struggle for Govt Colleges 4 these allied disciplines. If they fail, they would go 4 Private ones depending upon their economic condition. If they don't find their position, still majority will prefer to go for BBA, ACCA or CA things. The residue would go for some BSc degree. And those ppl who don't find solace anywhere in this battle, who were never exposed to good schooling who never had a chance to uplift their knowledge who were doing things other than studies -- even working for earning, Or if we want we may say those who have the least ''abilities'' ----------------------- they go for BA. This is not the case in Modern World, even a BA ( usually 4 yrz ) student is exposed to a variety of subjects in Liberal Arts, General Science and Humanities before he is offered a specialisation in one field. There, people go for hUMANITIES OR sOCIal sciences by CHOICE not by CHANCE. So , it's a matter of perception. No doubt, Social Sciences and Humanities ( except Law, Psychology, Economicsn etc ) don't prepare you for a quick market driven job as do Engineering or Medicine but their meanings of these subjects are entirely different in other cultures. Student personalities are properly investigated,their interests/abilities are studied before they opt any major.
Regards:cry