Yar mein tu hamza_salick aur mhmdkashif ko smjha smjha k thak gya hn..lekin yeh baat manany ko tayar hi nahi hain..humien apnay idaroun pe tanqeed nahi krni chahiye yeh berooni hath in mamlat ko hawa de rah ha ......(Suna ha goli lagay tu khoon ata ha ...)

main maan gaya bhai , ae watan ke sajeelay "gernailo", mere naghme tumhare liye hain

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The precondition for existence of a higher humanity is not the state, but the nation possessing the necessary ability.

han g Ae watan k sajeelay "Gernelo" mere naghmay tmharay lye hain..balke saray rakbay aur Qasbay tmharay lye hain

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La Fatah Illa ALI la SAIF illa Zulfikar

Mjhe tu Roomi bhai pe b shak ha ...Banday ne kaha ha hafta sabr kr lain mat humien hi kah rhy hunn k sabr kr lo hafta fr btana kese posts krte ho...

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La Fatah Illa ALI la SAIF illa Zulfikar

App apnay app ko jitna important samjh raha hain na ....................... yaqeenan app utnay hi important hain. App ki batoon say aik bachpana zaroor jhalak raha hay laikin asal main wo app kay jazbaat hain or sab ko jazbaat ki qadar karni chaheye.

So main app say kahna chahta hoon app ki is baat kay jawab main kay:
please app ro mat ab hum army ko bilkul defend nahi karain gay. Ab Khush?

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He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.

Bilkul sir bachpana hi tu ha ..warna aisi batoun ka tu koi jawaaz hi nahi banta..is mein frustration ka tu swaal hi nahi peda hota..yeh bilkul irrelevant arguments hain hmarayy..juma juma 8 din tu hue hain humein is mulk mein..mera tu abi ID card b nahi bana..

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La Fatah Illa ALI la SAIF illa Zulfikar

Aap galat samjhay... main nay kaha aisa lagta hay kay aap ki bato main bachpana hay laikin dar asal wo app kay jazbaat hain. Ab app batain kay kya meri is baat matalab yeah hay kay app jazbati bhi hain?

Daikhain jab Justice Javeed Iqbal kay parents ka murder hoa tha tou foran ISI pay Ilzaam lagaya gaya tha kion kay wo missing person kay case ki samaat kar rahay thay. laikin murderer unka apna baita nikla. Watch this video:

(Watch beginning and from 6:50)
Is liye ziada munasib baat yeah hay kay kuch din sabar kar lain or present discussion main saleem shahzad case ko discuss na karain.

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He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.

Rann of Kutch, Chawinda op, Lahore Offensive. These didn’t defend you? Pakistan starting an offensive to regain Kashmir was audacious. It doesn’t matter if your enemy is larger than you. If that was the rule of war victory then the risk for Battle of Badr would never have been taken. Despite the first victory, the next one, at Uhad was a disaster. So you mean the muslims shouldn’t have tried it? Napoleon is still considered one of the best commanders, not Duke of Wellington, who despite a historic win at Waterloo is still looked down upon as a lousy General. All his life, Napoleon dreamt of defeating Britain and searched military as well as economic ways to do so- but all failed. But he tried and so he is immortalized for his courage, not for victories. However, all the above was another kind of warfare altogether. Today wars aren’t fought the same way. They are fought at many places in one go, and in 1965 several battles were fought. But by the end of it, Newsweek published an article hailing Pakistani attempts, valor, and declared the upper edge it had- in spite of unclear assessment of victory on either side. And I think you need to get your facts correct, because Pakistan never pressed for ceasefire in the UN-neither in 1948 (India did) nor in 1965. I have already talked abt Kargil, referring to books as well as recent Kargil Inquiry Commission by India. Im not trying to be over-zealous, but the fact is that despite Indian propaganda and Pakistani CIVILIAN leadership weakness, Kargil would have been a success for Pakistan. This time too, your cherished ‘elected’ reps warped it for us.

Wars, conflicts are a sad part of this world. More often than not, innocents have to bear the brunt along with soldiers- a few thousands die, so that millions stay alive. That’s law of nature. Many countries in the past and at present have a nation-wide military conscription. They make everyone fight, and many die too. What do you say about that? In Palestine today, they have several suicide bombers and many have been martyred. They too once wanted to live. Nations who are willing to subordinate freedom to Security, deserve neither freedom nor security- and I didn’t say that, Ted Roosevelt did.

I was watching a show today in which Americans were being questioned whether the OBL op was a setup. A sizable portion said, they doubted it, due to lack of evidence and incongruencies. I don’t know why you are readily accepting his existence there. If the army was really nurturing him there, they wouldn’t have left him unguarded or failed to reach there at once. Haqqani Network kyun hai Pakistan mai, iska jawaab buhat complex aur tassalli se sunne wala hai. But I guess you have a problem with reading posts longer than your thumb you cant have the cake and keep it too. But elsewhere in another post with a dodo, I have debated in detail why Pakistan needs Afghan Taliban- but not Pakistani Taliban. Karachi mai no-go areas woh hain jahan MQM aur ANP ke thugs, aur un ki aar main, kuch terrorists bhi rehte hain. Some time back there were talks of an army operation in Karachi. But your ‘democratic’ government, that didn’t want to offend the London Don, was the first one to oppose this suggestion. The media started condemning it, the people started criticizing it-calling it the ‘army’s’ bid to intervene once again. So, there is no other way to target these areas except an army operation which can get very nasty for all Karachiites. The army or rangers cannot take this decision, without the command of the Federal government. Rahi baat A-tan ko province banaane ki, A-tan toh Amreekiyon or Roosiyon ke hatthe nahi laga, Pakistaniyo ke kya lage ga. And your establishment knows it very well. They just want the most friendly government there so as to form a barrier, as well as fish out Indian presence there. This is where Haqqani network, Quetta shura and Hekmatyar comes in.

Well, I haven’t called anybody a ‘Ghaddar’ so kindly stop acting martyred- both you and Hamza. Agencies keep an eye on anything that has the potential to make a difference tomorrow.

And no, you people aren’t criticizing the military out of love for it. Your criticism is restrained to what media has projected to you. Accountability of the corrupt, sure that needs to be done. And the past month has been a result of only those few individuals. But dragging the entire institution down, I mean, on one hand you people claim you aren’t disregarding the entire army and on another hand you issue statements like, “ISI ke officers Majors ki wives ko gaariyon main ghumaane ke liye rehe gaye hain”. You don’t talk like this if you had really appreciated what it has done for the country. Is baat ko samjhein, for heavens sake, ke modern times main kabhi kisi qaum ko apni hi army ko gaaliyan dete hue suna hai ? The media abroad is so controlled, they aren’t allowed to release vital information concerning state institutions. Here its so out of control, this is why you guys can be molded to talk like this. Yesterday, I was watching Dunya News. They were reporting a news item that said the third PC 3 Orion has also been damaged and hit by a missile, and they were showing its pictures. They called in a famous defense analyst (cant rem the name) who told them that the fuselage hasn’t been hit, and its only 30% damaged- the jet will fly again soon. But after this, the news reel down below read, “ Third Orion damaged, incapable of flying again”. And to a Pakistani like you, this is even more bad news, even more reason to talk derogatory. As I said earlier, ignorance of the wrath that hasn’t befallen you, takes that burden off you too.

And as far as Hamza’s comment on “members here on ISI payroll”, lets just say Im ignoring some MI-6 recruits who arent playing Bond too well either. So call it a day, shall we?

Sir Musharraf reign was no way a good conduct for Pakistan... sorry to say..

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Well I did not discuss Musharaf era in general. It was a specific reply to a question by my friend about Lal Masjid. And, yes, economy was comparatively better then. And no need to be apologetic.

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He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.