Quaid said, "we did not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we wanted a labarotary where we could experiment on Islamic principles"
further he said, "we should base our democracy on the principles and concepts of Islam".

so these sayings of Quaid laid foundation of the ideology of Pakistan and Pakistan is an ideological state, whose ideology is based on Islam. so how can we say that it should be a secular state rather than an Islamic state.
2nd thing is the deteriorating condition of Pakistan and it is because Pakistan of today is far away from her ideology. we have to promote its ideology rather than promoting the ideas of making Pakistan a secular state.

If Pakistan should be a secular state then what about the following provisions of our constitution?
should we amend these provisions?

1:- Name of Country (Islamic Republic of Pakistan)
2:- Islam as state religion
3:- President should be Muslim.
4:- Prime Minister should be Muslim
5:- All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions.

because a secular state doesnot represent a single religion.
so we must restore ideology of Pakistan rather than making her a secular state.

Pakistan is an Islamic state by virtue of its constitution , so it is obvious that change in constitution will transform it in to a secular state. Besides , the constitutional provisions, our conduct doesn't manifest the spirit of Islam.

Quid during his address to first constitutional assembly of Pakistan on 11th Aug 1947 had also said
You know who was presiding over that session? Joginder Nath Mandal..A hindu By Religion. Quide Azam appointed Mr Pothan Joseph as first Editor of Dawn Newspaper.Pakistan's first National Anthem was written by Jaggan Nath Azad on desire of Quid-e-Azam.

By the way Quid-e-Azam belonged to Ahl-e-Tashee(It is also said that he was Ismilyee and later converted to Islam) Sect of islam. In our country, a section of extermist Mullahs excludes Shias from ambit of Islam.So whose Islam should be implemented in Pakistan?

As for as our legal framework is concerned, we have inherited it from our former colonial Masters.All the significant pieces of legislature have been adopted from pre-Independence period. PPC1860, CrPC1898, Civil Procedures Code,Contract Act, Partisanship Acts etc are major codes constituting are legal framework dates back to Britsh Raj.

The provisos of law introduced on the name of Islam(with ulterior motives and through distorted inference of injunctions of Islam) such as Hadood Ordinance ,Diyat and Qisas etc are not based on the principle of equality.I dont want to say that -God Forbid-fault is in Islam rather fault lies with us.In the given circumstances , Secularism is better course instead of using the name great religion for benefit of elites.

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Yeah,we should be hypocrites like Israel,the state erected the same as Pakistan on Ideology but hasn't adopted Judaism as its state religion.

Insofar as the allegiance of The great Quaid to Ismaiylee sect is concerned,I doubt it.He,had great love and respect for Allama Shabbir Ahmed Usmani,
He kept the Holy Quran, translated in English by Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his pocket.

Why the members are intermixing the different terms? mixing liberalism with secularism

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No! I didn't mean my comments to be sarcastic. Actually I'm in favour of secularism(if it's restricted only to the constitutional amendments). But it is not going to do us any good even if we declare ourselves to be a secular state.(I think)

Everyone has his own ideology, but Islam has no space for secularism if the Islamic laws implemented properly.

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You are right brother. But I think it’s high time that we(those in-charge) declare Pakistan to be a secular state. By doing so we could enjoy the favours of the westerners(yes! this is the only positive we are going to get out of it). We would still do what we have to do. Just what India and Israel are doing? Hypocrisy, Baghal main churi munh main raam raam. (I’m a religious zealot by the way)

The problem is that Pakistani society is, currently, in the net of different ideologies- religions and political, and the net result is the CLASH.

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now a days a new trend has opened its jaws in pakistan.
A class of critics and analysts has emerged who catagorically criticizes the ideology of pakistan. that had happened before,but not with as much intensity as it is going on now a days.
they sit in the talk shows and without any authentic argument,just to please socalled soft elements ,use pungent language against common religion of all sects(islam) as well as the ideological bases of our motherland.

a few examples are najam sethi,nusrat javeed,jesmine etc.
these guys don,t bother pertaining to the hazards inflicted upon pakistani society by pro-west,secular rationalist class who exists in a disguise of brown-englishmen,ngo,s,politicians and military leadership.

----how pro-american trends have ravaged our democracy and sovereignty.they don,t care
----how the derision from jinnah and iqbal,s perceptions of islam had
brought carnage by moral,stagnation of the nation.and that moral stagnation gave birth to coruption,napotism,malfeasance and undemocratic behaviours.they don,t bother.
----TALIBAN and JIHADIS are wrong and misguided.and owing to them the religious mentality is considered as a threat to our society.

BUT,THAT EXTRTEMIST MENTALITY IS NOT THE CREATION OF IDEOLOGY OF PAKISTAN.BUT THAT OF OUR "PRO-AMERICAN SECULAR CLASS" OF MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT.

---------------soooooo,the genuine threat is that secular class in our institutions ,WHO INORDER TO ACT AS MERCENARIES OF SUPER-POWERS,CAN CREATE AND HIBERNATE RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM.

For example,who is patronizing HAQQANI GROUP for whatsoever the reason?
Is this the ideology of pakistan ..... OR someone quite opposite to that of ideology of pakistan?

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secularism is by no way a standard of success so what good we are going to get out it?

the causes of our failure as a nation does not lie in PAK being an islamic state.

will converting to secualrism eliminate out problems namely sectarian,ethnic etc differences? the answer is no.for being progressive and free of the evils like sectarianism the standards is in no way secularism.we need education,unity,revival of our ideology etc

got to go for now.to be continued

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