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What judges are you talking about??Judges ki corruption k barey me I am sure ap jaise parhe likhe bande ko tw pata hoga..ye pandora box bnd hi rehne dein..ek senior judge k appne ilfaaz hein k 'Judiciary me Bureaucracy se ziada corruption he'...
Agreed but as per transparency interantional reports, Police is second most corrupt department. Matlab police k yeh halaat hain tu judiciary kaisay peechay reh sakti hai.



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Jee you are right..Court ne bilkul kuch daikh k decision kia he..Or woh 'kuch' akhbaar or TV channels hein..
Mukhatarn mai case main courts ko akhbaar aur tv channels par kuch kyun nahi nazar aaya?
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reply one query which I got in my mind after reading ur answer. suppose u are an efficient and dead honest DPO. everything is perfect abt ur duty etc. now who has authorized u to kill or to enjoy killing of others in front of a crowd in such a brutal way? Suppose I wanna get rid of a person or I wanna kill a person(what ever the reason may be), is DPO or such seat provide me shelter to do so?????????????? Keep in mind that I am not saying that he has any sort of thing in his mind during that situation but he was there and saw all. Court ny kuch tu dekh k decision kia hoga na.
The DPO was not present at the crime scene when it happened. Just because some news channels said "he was present there during the lynching" he was indicted and convicted. Just because media said so. There was not a single person in the court who testified against him. and do you remember that fake interview that was played over and over again on a media channel in which a person named Shams Ali said, the DPO asked the him to kill the boys and the killings would be declared an encounter.. The man was acquitted on the grounds he was not present. We do not look for the facts, the problem is we look at what the media feeds us..... An innocent man has been dragged in the courts for no reason for the past 1 year and the character assassination campaign has not ended yet.
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[QUOTE=Hamza Salick;360228]What judges are you talking about??Judges ki corruption k barey me I am sure ap jaise parhe likhe bande ko tw pata hoga..ye pandora box bnd hi rehne dein..ek senior judge k appne ilfaaz hein k 'Judiciary me Bureaucracy se ziada corruption he'........

i agree that judges are corrupt, most corrupt!...what about police????....what about dpo's criminal negligence???...why were we hesitant in taking the judgment on its face-value???....how come a judiciary that was bieng termed farce, suddelny becomes independent!,( after dpo bailed-out) i ask!....i agree that the whole system needs over-hauling but why do we talk about it only when high-profile official is punished??//?/....why do we say that dpo should not have been punished, not because he was innocent(i dnt agree), but because he held high-office....why are we trying to create fear that if he is punished(even if he is found guilty), all other aspirants would shy away from becoming civil servants???? what gibberish is that! ...this is to tell all aspirants, no matter what you do with your office, as long as you hold it, you should not be punished!....otherwise, so-called system will go dysfunctional!....
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What judges are you talking about??Judges ki corruption k barey me I am sure ap jaise parhe likhe bande ko tw pata hoga..ye pandora box bnd hi rehne dein..ek senior judge k appne ilfaaz hein k 'Judiciary me Bureaucracy se ziada corruption he'........

i agree that judges are corrupt, most corrupt!...what about police????....what about dpo's criminal negligence???...why were we hesitant in taking the judgment on its face-value???....how come a judiciary that was bieng termed farce, suddelny becomes independent!,( after dpo bailed-out) i ask!....i agree that the whole system needs over-hauling but why do we talk about it only when high-profile official is punished??//?/....why do we say that dpo should not have been punished, not because he was innocent(i dnt agree), but because he held high-office....why are we trying to create fear that if he is punished(even if he is found guilty), all other aspirants would shy away from becoming civil servants???? what gibberish is that! ...this is to tell all aspirants, no matter what you do with your office, as long as you hold it, you should not be punished!....otherwise, so-called system will go dysfunctional!....
What criminal neglect did he commit?He didn't try to save 2 dacoits and murderers..Is this criminal neglect?No,this is public justice!Do you know what sentence is normally given to a dacoit?An SP yesterday told me that most dacoits don't spend over a year behind the bars.
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What judges are you talking about??Judges ki corruption k barey me I am sure ap jaise parhe likhe bande ko tw pata hoga..ye pandora box bnd hi rehne dein..ek senior judge k appne ilfaaz hein k 'Judiciary me Bureaucracy se ziada corruption he'...



Jee you are right..Court ne bilkul kuch daikh k decision kia he..Or woh 'kuch' akhbaar or TV channels hein..



Chorein sir chorein..pehle wo halaat paida krein,waise qazi paida krein,institutions pe logon ka aitmaad paida krein...phir waisa insaf bhi hoga tw kabil e kabool hoga...
The problem with this particular case is, people have no idea what they are talking about. Their argument is because the DPO is a "ba asar shakhsiat" he should get the punishment. They have no idea that 90% of what they have heard about the DPO from the media, is a lie. Neither he was present during the lynching, nor he asked anyone to kill. This has already been proved in the court. Why no action was taken against a news channel that aired Shams Ali's statement, (that was quoted ad nuseum by almost everyone in Pakistan.) Why nobody raised questions when Shams Ali was acquitted, because he was not present there ( But DPO ko shayed ilhaam hua tha k shams ali ko contact ker k kehna hay maar daloo). It was a question of common sense but nobody paid attention and believed whatever lies were coming from the media. Media can trash people with impunity. wow
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What criminal neglect did he commit?He didn't try to save 2 dacoits and murderers..Is this criminal neglect?No,this is public justice!Do you know what sentence is normally given to a dacoit?An SP yesterday told me that most dacoits don't spend over a year behind the bars.
ok, say for a minute, they were decoits, looters, plunderers n murderers....where was police when they were involved in loot n plunder???/....were they arrested even once????

you ask me what criminal neglect did he commit, i ask you what lawful role did he play while beholding crime scene???//

aur aik aur baat, ap har aik post main yeh kehtay dikahae daitay hain k folan judge nay mujay yeh bataya aur folan police officer yeh keh raha tha, yeh koi daleel nae hoti.....this is no argument!
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ok, say for a minute, they were decoits, looters, plunderers n murderers....where was police when they were involved in loot n plunder???/....were they arrested even once????

you ask me what criminal neglect did he commit, i ask you what lawful role did he play while beholding crime scene???//

aur aik aur baat, ap har aik post main yeh kehtay dikahae daitay hain k folan judge nay mujay yeh bataya aur folan police officer yeh keh raha tha, yeh koi daleel nae hoti.....this is no argument!
Aap ko daleel deney ki mujhe zarurat bhi nahy hey..Jin ko meraa yakin hey na unhey hey,une kuch prove kurne ki mujhe zaroorat nahy hey..Or esi utopian batein me tub aap se sunun ga jub 2,4 dakoo aap ko yarghamaal bna k Khudanakhwasta aap k sath badsalooki kre ge..Ya Allah na kre Allah na kre apk kissi appne ko nuksaan puhunchane ki koshish kre ga..Ye 'drawing room talk' is only good for internet and drawing rooms..They have no application,no implication on practical life..The lawful thing in that situation was to let the culprits reach their deserved end..Dacoits and murderers certainly deserve this treatment..Aap logon ko human-rights sirf tb yad atay hey jub in qatilon mujrimon ko kuch kaha jaata hey..Tub kahan jaate he ye human rights jub ye din diharey logon ko marte phir rhe hotay hey?
Ja k saare police walon ko or administration ko sazayein dijye,phir dekhein kon chalaata he day to day affairs iss mulk me.Service se baher baith k esi baten kurna bht asaan hey.Waqar Chohan yakeenan aap se or mjh se akalmand,experienced or able insan he..If he did it,tw there was some rationale behind it..and as I said,hur bat ''awaam' ko nahy batai jaati hoti...
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Aap ko daleel deney ki mujhe zarurat bhi nahy hey..Jin ko meraa yakin hey na unhey hey,une kuch prove kurne ki mujhe zaroorat nahy hey..Or esi utopian batein me tub aap se sunun ga jub 2,4 dakoo aap ko yarghamaal bna k Khudanakhwasta aap k sath badsalooki kre ge..Ya Allah na kre Allah na kre apk kissi appne ko nuksaan puhunchane ki koshish kre ga..Ye 'drawing room talk' is only good for internet and drawing rooms..They have no application,no implication on practical life..The lawful thing in that situation was to let the culprits reach their deserved end..Dacoits and murderers certainly deserve this treatment..Aap logon ko human-rights sirf tb yad atay hey jub in qatilon mujrimon ko kuch kaha jaata hey..Tub kahan jaate he ye human rights jub ye din diharey logon ko marte phir rhe hotay hey?
Ja k saare police walon ko or administration ko sazayein dijye,phir dekhein kon chalaata he day to day affairs iss mulk me.Service se baher baith k esi baten kurna bht asaan hey.Waqar Chohan yakeenan aap se or mjh se akalmand,experienced or able insan he..If he did it,tw there was some rationale behind it..and as I said,hur bat ''awaam' ko nahy batai jaati hoti...
Agreed.this reminded me of a discussion in our class about revenge is better than forgiveness.discussion se pehle majority ne kaha k forgiveness is better but jab face to face discussion start huee tu boht se logoan ne opinion badl diya kyun k yeh tu haqeeqat hai k yeh saari batein us waqt tak theek hoti hain jab tak aap k kisi apne pe lago nahin hoti.but jab baat apne pe aati hai tu saare rules khatm ho jaate hain.tab koi human rights koi religious teachings nahin yaad rehtein.infact punishment dena bhi justice hai tu hum us se inkar kaise ker sakte hain.oar yeh hum sab jaante hai k Pakistan mein kitna justice hota hai.100 logoan ko maarne k baad bhi criminals azaad ho jaate hain "Lack of evidence" ki buniyad pe.
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I am quoting what is in my mere knowledge: A District Police Officer works under District Coordination Officer and salutes him in his office, whereas DCO works under District session Judge and salutes him in court. So who is superior?
It's chain of administration and it'll be derailed if it is disturbed.
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