dear sis you confusing the things........ Quaid said " we want to get a separate land for muslims, where they can test and apply the rules and regulations of Islam, we need a separate homeland for muslim nation and we need land for this purpose coz nation can not live in vaccum..."

salam to my dear fellows,

I have read the comments of all participants.Thanx to saleeqa who have understand the question and also increase my knowledge.Dear,Saleeqa you have stated about reference which was censored.How you got this?

Ordinary people talk about things,average about persons and Intellectuals about ideas.I do not want to focus on Quaid because I want to discuss ideas and ideals which lead the foundation of pakistan. Now re-consider my question again ,

Two nation theory is based on Modern democratic system.

Muslim political system support pannist /global approach.

What Quaid did;he united these two concepts and founded pakistan.

Now, formation of pakistan is Ijtehad? ? ? Then Quaid should be a Mujtahid. He was'nt then why he brought change in Islamic political system.

No doubt, he was a leader thats why had brought change but were not able to create followers.Why? And why? If he was a leader that was acknowledged or evolved.Then that evolved change could not be sustained? Why?

Military-boots run the govt following socialism. Because ,they had not accepted Quaid -brought change.

Molvi fazul ul haq and Nawabzada liaqat Ali khan personally did not like Quaid. Point to ponder.

Last but not least,after establishment of nascant state ,the Quaid 's first motive have to be formation of pakistan constitution.He prolonged it, seated as governer-general(when he gained a state via election)then why governership? ? ? ?

If Quaid's resolution made this state then why he had sent Militants to kashmir.He knew that jihad for nascant state was poison and led the formation of Islamic-militant band. Why? If he stressed over dialogue then why not for kashmir too.

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A very nice debate is goin on...+ my fav topic

Make one thing clear..Two nation theory is not made or formulized by quaid....this theory is the base of Muslim Ummah from day 1...how? when akarma bin abujahal, Habshi( killer of Hamza RA) embraced islam, they were from A B C tribe before but when they embraced Islam, they are Muhammadans and Muslims, no other identity. Since that day They are on one side, rest of the world on other. A muslim Nation (which unfortunately couldnt be revived after Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Abdullah bin zubair RA) have no geographical boundaries, because their objective is the rule of Islam and Allah over whole globe; not for money or for the purpose to rule but to buildoze the evil injustice ruling and tyrannical elite, and SERVE humans in a NATURAL(ordered and revealed) way...Pakistan was a retrenchment strategy as Muslims have lost their power to create such a natural environment and needed a MADINA to unify their powers. Seperate land was a need not a desire as it was next to impossible for a handful of Muslim brain power to rule like Umre Farooq RA after British vaccation when they have also an opponent with excellence in every Administrative dimension. Saleeqa said that Islam is used by Muslim Leagues but Dear Islam is not just a religon, its a system...One of topic but imp thing to clear is its not Kalmah or Beard or Azan that panics evil..its the system..Political Economic Financial and Judicial...Islam believes in circulation of these 4 powers Like blood in the body so that no elite can rule...Islam always challenged that "2%".
The most imp accomplishment of Muslims was separate electorate...because having no seperate electorate, 99% muslims could never participate in electoral process because opponents ( Hindus)of their "Union council"(taken the smallest unit) were much educated, politically aware and empowered, wealthy, connected and their morales were high and no muslim can stand alone at any place against the Hindu might...and I would totally condemn seperate electorates if these bright consequences of divide and rule british policy were enjoyed by Muslims...got it ..
Coming toward the point of Minority status thing in pak..I totally second to Sabahat about Meesaq-madina and Muslims relation with minorities..again same concept...Islam doesn't differentiate among people, its always the system which is serving, it shud be Allah's and Islam...its the system of Nature which says not to be cruel over Allah creatures until they prove a threat to system....
KPKS and Pakhtuns are tribes not nations...whats their Idealogy??????????
Everybody condemn Pak assistance in Afghanistan but cant they see six Massive muslim states in result? there is a cost which Pakistan is paying but inshallah we will overcome...and u know what these sacrifices are helping muslims to draw a picture of their allies, foes and snakes(moles)...
Talkin abt personal life of quaid...never see silkworm spitting, see the quality of cocoon...and on the designation for dawn and other high level positions, its merit and equality which islam addresses, not biasness...besides how many high qualified muslims were there at the time? those present were already serving at multiple sensitive positions...
sorry for stretchin it but im emotional about my motherland
hoping a logical reply

In your starting lines you said and I concluded that Muslims all over the world are one nation i.e Muslim Nation, from whatever tribe they belongs to. Right?
Then you said" KPKS and Pakhtuns are tribes not nations...whats their Idealogy??????????,
What is this???
what did this line mean here??
Pakhtuns are tribes not nations? A Muslim nation (assuming your own thought of a Muslim nation), whats their Ideology?? An Islamic Ideology (assuming your own thought of a Islamic ideology)
And you are emotional about your motherland. strange

Hoping for a logical explanation

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sis now you have clearly put your point of view in front us.you rightly said Quaid was a mujtahid and thats why our so-called mullah's could not understand his ideals, those mullah's which Iqbal had rightly said " Islam ko kia samjhain ge ye 2 raka'at k imaam", were against Quaid coz they were not able to do Ijtehad, their thoughts stuck in the era's of khilafat and tabee'in wasn't able to comprehend wat quaid was trying to do for Muslim ummah,
as far as the question why quaid wasn't able to create follewers?.. the answer is simple my dear Quaid was not failed to create followes as 10 crore muslims of india were his followers... if we talk about the political successors then yes he wasn,t able to produce a political successor because the real persons who fought for the liberation i.e the people of U.P., C.P. etc. could not become a part of pakistan instead those people who were just included in the movement of pakistan 7 years earlier the independence were sadistically the persons who Quaid joined just to gain political and financial power otherwise pakistan would have been a myth.....
I will reccomend you to please read the book of Stanely Wolpert "Jinnah of Pakistan", in which he has described how the greedy politicians of Punjab, Baluchestan, KPK (sarhad at that time) and sindh black-mailed quaid....
the only reason ideology of Quaid has not been respected by our political and establishment elite is their disconnectivity with the freedom movement.
same was the reason that Quaid became the governor general coz according to act of 1935 governor general had the most authority.. Quaid had no trust on those greeedy politicians whose sole desire was to gain power......
those who oppose the Ideology of Pakistan are the persons who do not understand its real essence... as Ideology is based on principles of modernity and modesty. its dynamic.... coz it doen not lean to either side... extremism or secularism.

@ cute badshah...
Dear Islamic idealogy is a 360 degree solution for managing a nation on the basis of Merit, Representation, equality, justice and long term prosperity...Idealogy is the foundation of a nation...coming towards KPK, Balouchi, punjabi, sindhi, they are tribes representing their dwell, not the code and system of life. Pakistan was not for bengali sindhi so on. it was a fort of islam. Islam is a system which have a capacity for every human being regardless of tribe or color...
@ sadia and sabaht...sis please dont call our religious scholars mulla...thing to analyse is that these scholars were right...pic of sub-continent is the same what Abulkalam azad and Deobandi Ulma painted before partition. they sensed this because they were considering short term weaknesses and threats. On the other hand Allama Iqbal and Quaid were only focused over Pan Islamic Idealogical Strength and potential opportunities...Pakistan was the first step in this en devour...it was the fort of Pan Islamic Block if u see....but sadistically threats overcame the opportunities and so here we are...
Clearing one thing abt two nation theory is that it was felt primarily by Sir syed ahmed, projected as a long term plan by Allama iqbal keepiing in view Islamic Political System and Quaid was operational head who used modern tactics to bring that happen...He was not doing anything other than Khilafat= Modern Islamic Block(Modern Concept). Again Two nation theory may be a Modern theory but this differentiation was from day 1....Muslims and Non Muslims...
Rest sabaht explained perfectly....
Can u please elaborate the diferences of views betw Quaid and Iqbal,Liaqat ali khan?
and please bring hidden facts on the table......its really help to clear ideas...
@ cute... i write "emotional" because in writing a reply i strtched it like an essay....and dint care for preciseness....wts strange int his???

I used word Mullah's just as depicted by Allama Iqbal himself, n I stand by my words.
Liaqat Ali khan wanted to make Pakistan a secular country but he was pressurized by Mullah,s to adopt Islamic system which resulted in delay in constitution making process. Iqbal opposed democracy coz in a country where hindus were in majority it would have turned muslims into slaves, Iqbal believed on Ijtehad thats why he was against mullah's and vice versa. Iqbal convinced quaid to fight for a separate homeland for muslims, Ideologically they might be different but their aim was the same, the benefit of Muslims of India....
although differences among Liaqat Ali Kahan and Quaid comprised of many issues, the main were foreign policy , constitution and most probably the division of authority...

The essence of two-nation theory and creation of Pakistan was that Muslim leadership felt that the Hindu majority, under western democracy, after attaining power, will draw the first blood by giving a blow to Muslim culture and heritage in India, which was their obvious right, because Muslims ruled by sword and imposed their socio-political system by enslaving the local population. The creation of Pakistan was not matter of any specific ideology or ijtehad, it was a matter of survival. Had India not been partitioned, we all would have been living a truly secular life and Islam for the Muslims of India would have only been a matter of prayers and fasting. Ideology of Pakistan was more inclined toward Jihad than Ijtehad, although it is very true that we lost our way and got lost in things which had nothing to do with our destiny but still we have a homeland of our own and we don't feel subdued by Hinduism or any other ism, Islam is our way of life and who knows time might come when we really become what Islam wants us to be and once we achieve what preachings of Muhammad(S.A.W) grants the human beings, the world will not only admire us but shall follow us.

I did't question your thoughts about Islamic Ideology or what is Nation. You pointed to KPKs and Pathans so that made me suspicious, for pointing towards a specific section. So its cleared now. Its nice to be emotional but its not good when you discuss about one group/ tribe. That make things vague. You should have mentioned like Balochi, Punjabi, sindhi as well, as you did in next post.

Thanks for your explanation

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