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I m bit skeptical about the future of country and this carthagian democracy in pakistan. Can this democracy give us a pakistan, our quaid dreamt for us n our ancestor sacrafised for? In my opinion this so called democracy where ignorants are the masters of the fate of educated people can give us a somalian model nothing else. Pakistan is passing through the most crucial period, our economy is dwindling day by day, pakistan's social fabric is decaying, our nation is on the verge of disintegration and annihilation bt our leaders are looking to give it a coup de grace by discussing whether new provinces should b created or not? Our national security is at stake, we have attritional war in baluchistan and fata n we r discusing such sort of thing. I dont understand how can anyone b so senseless? We have forgot the fall of baghdad, cordoba n dakha. People are dying and pm says he has popular support, youth is jobless , they have no security of life, liberity and employment but president says this is benazir pakistan. Where we are being led?? Democracy is the system to ensure good governance but here good governance is being sacrified for democracy. Democracy means justice to all but here for pm contempt of court means 5 sec punishmemt while for common man it z 10yrs of imprisonment. Is this democracy? Is it the country our ancestor sacrificised for? Certainly not.
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brother you are right to some extent. As democracy is the name of social justice and availabilities of basic amenities of life at door step so this kind of governance is absent in pakistan from day one. Now this democratic stepup has tarnished the image of democracy in pakistan. They are worse that worse. But we have no choice. Militiary dictators in past destroyed pakistan and now we as a nation cant bear a new hamwatano. So available choice is paralyised democracy with corrupt and impotent politicians. But this democratic process with continuity wil bring change . Democracy with true and genuine spirit can change pakistan,s rusted lot. If democratic system in pakistn got stability then till now these dirty political jokers vacate the political arena.
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But if these democracy goes for 5 more yrs then we are obviously doomed. Here problem with democracy is two sided , first- corrupt leadership.
2nd- uneducated mobs.
We are suffering more due to 2nd reason, uneducated n ignorant people use their right of vote and do more damage to state than good. In England, parliament started in 1215- but universal suffrage granted in 1928. For 700yrs they kept ignorants out of state business till they were educated. But in pakistan we gave suffrage to all, as a result of it , we had to amputate east pakistan, now were are about to dismember rest of pakistan. In pakistan in my opinion, we should set qualification for voters... So educated youth plays its role in nation building .
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Yes we are passing through a difficult rather catastrophic situation, Yes this Government has not delivered what was expected but its not the fault of Democracy. If democracy is not functioning properly its we who are to be blamed. But it is also a fact that in the recent situation what better can we expect????
Not only the government but the entire society of Pakistan is corrupt. What justification can we provide for our own behaviours and attitudes??
But still it is a fact that despite all the malfunctioning majority of people of Pakistan still have faith on Democracy and I believe as the time passes we will learn as a nation that evolution is a slow process we need to bring reforms in ourselves so that whole society can be able to get the fruits of democracy.
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Dear we are not living in medieval ages when we have 500yrs to evolve and modernise ourselves. It is a modern rather a postmodern era where nations are built in yrs look at germany- germany unified in 1878 n it was global power in 1914, japan -1858 american frigates threatend japanese and forced them to sign mutual treaties and at the beginning of 20th century japan was a global power, look at yugoslavia till 1980s it was a strong power of southeastern europe n in 1990s there was no yugoslavia, soviet union as well.
2500yrs ago, plato said," bad dictatorship is better than bad democracy ". becoz in dictatorship only one person is bad, in bad democracy rather whole society is bad as in pakistan.
We need a good reformer (a surgeon who has iron will to cut the gangrenous parts of our society, now time for physician is over) and in history i found not even a single democratic figure that made a crowd a single nation eg alexander the great, cyrus the great, genghis khan, tamerlane, abdul malik bin marwan, hujjaj ibn yusuf, ivan the great, ivan the terrible, peter the great, otto von bismark,louis xiv napolean,alfred the great, frederick the great of prussia, mao zedong, joseph stalin, mustafa kemal, mehmet ali, quaid e azam and others all were dictators. No doubt after reforms and reversal of economic decline democracy should be introduced step by step so our nation can understand the essence of democracy.
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in my opinion, even crippled democracy is better than benign dictatorship in pakistan. This is happy news for us that first time since inception of pakistan an elected PM is going to complete his five year tenure. It is right that current government has not delivered enough to common people. But future belongs to us. In future, we can expect better leaders and better governments. Look at history of india, after about 65 years of democracy, they are presently at right track. In the same manner, we will be doing better within 30 to 40 years with democracy without interruption of dictators. So friends, be optimistic, keep hopes high and pray for our beloved homeland.
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Indian democracy is not a roll model for us. Indian democracy is not the reason behind india's progress, i don't know why people confuse india's growth with democracy, india's economic boom is due to her gigantic size, enormous population, advantage of backwardness etc etc. If democracy is the key to progress then why china is the fastest growing economy in the world??
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I m bit skeptical about the future of country and this carthagian democracy in pakistan. Can this democracy give us a pakistan, our quaid dreamt for us n our ancestor sacrafised for? In my opinion this so called democracy where ignorants are the masters of the fate of educated people can give us a somalian model nothing else. Pakistan is passing through the most crucial period, our economy is dwindling day by day, pakistan's social fabric is decaying, our nation is on the verge of disintegration and annihilation bt our leaders are looking to give it a coup de grace by discussing whether new provinces should b created or not? Our national security is at stake, we have attritional war in baluchistan and fata n we r discusing such sort of thing. I dont understand how can anyone b so senseless? We have forgot the fall of baghdad, cordoba n dakha. People are dying and pm says he has popular support, youth is jobless , they have no security of life, liberity and employment but president says this is benazir pakistan. Where we are being led?? Democracy is the system to ensure good governance but here good governance is being sacrified for democracy. Democracy means justice to all but here for pm contempt of court means 5 sec punishmemt while for common man it z 10yrs of imprisonment. Is this democracy? Is it the country our ancestor sacrificised for? Certainly not.
Only democracy is best model for Pakistan, so is the case with world. We should not blame democracy for today's critical situation. If democracy is bad then why we have examples of developed countries having democracy. We never witnessed true democracy in our country. From day one Pakistan did not get chance to witness democracy flourish. You are quoting the example of present govt. that it failed to deliver. But did we really want to let the govt. perform, from day one it is facing crises. One day it was facing long march for the restoration of judges, another day memo scandal, NRO( why judges don't ask common people about their bank balance.)another day external threat, another day coup, and other day threat of coalition parties and list goes on. People had given this govt to perform for five years, but did not let it to perform. We give more importance to drone attacks and so called sovereignty than unemployment, quality education, polio, terrorism. We are wrong not the democracy. And we can not blame this govt. for all the evils of our society. We should not forget that due the wrong policies of dictatorship this countries is facing severe problems. It was dictatorship which sewed the seeds of terrorism. In democracy institutions always perform within its limits but that is not the case in our country. Our country has yet to seen the true democracy. And as far corrupt leader is concerned, we should not forget that leader emerge from common people. And i don't need to give example that in every three person, two are corrupt. Here people perform haj from corruption
It's wrong that ignorant are the masters of educated ones. There is difference b/w literacy and education. We have youth who are literate(who can read write and send unlimited msgs without even second thought). but not educated. We are nation of having lack of quality education, a nation lack of logic, reason, objectivity and critical thinking. I have seen our various leaders are rational but in pressure of irrational people they also do irrational things. If democracy is not the best modal for our country then no other can be. Democracy gives us chance to not choose those who failed to deliver but for this we have to 1st let them to deliver for at least four years without any threat. And we should give priorities to real issues when govt. starts to serve people.
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Indian democracy is not a roll model for us. Indian democracy is not the reason behind india's progress, i don't know why people confuse india's growth with democracy, india's economic boom is due to her gigantic size, enormous population, advantage of backwardness etc etc. If democracy is the key to progress then why china is the fastest growing economy in the world??
If China and India are developing because of population then why Japan, UK are developed without having enough population. Why Pakistan is behind UK, Japan, Tukey, South Korea, list goes on even though Pakistan is backward and populated country .
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Jab tak ham "PAKISTANI" change ni hongay ! kuch ni hoga . it doesn't matter anymore that who is ruling us . we all as a nation are corrupt down to the ground !
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Indeed the public play an important role in democracy and its recuperation. It is people who choose their leaders and make those leaders able to decide the people's fate. If the people are not educated and aware of the essence of democracy, indeed the adverse consequences are inevitable.

I am a business student and we are taught that if something goes wrong in an organization that transpires the weakness in procurement process. That indicates that people in the organization has hired wrong people. Same is the case with the country when the people are unaware or lack the knowledge about the person they are voting, emergence of corruption and failed governance is not surprising .
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