Aap ko aap k credible evidences mubarak ho. I already hate Hassan Nisar talking rubish about Muslim caliphate and here you came.

Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright.

You're absolutely supporting atheists and secular.

All I'm saying is that women are safer now then they were in history. I have presented evidence of atrocities committed by both Muslims and Non-Muslim. If you do not agree with me, prove me wrong. If you can't accept it.

How did Hassan Nisar come into all this? And if you think he's rubbish, prove him wrong.

I'm not a atheist, but I am secular.

well i have been observing that post for many days...i too have something to say...
first of all what need was there to start such a thread?
this is a weird topic and girls are also watching as well as actively participating in this thread like malmeena and others are giving solid arguments to prove their stance...neither our religion nor our cultural norms allow the girls to speak so openly in such topics...so we must keep this thing in mind next time we post something...

@Bilal Ilm may koi haya nahe. Haya oss kaam me ki jani chahye jis ka hukam Qur'an ne diya ha. It's not bad to talk about such topics publicly.

Yeh lo,
@Hassan02 yaha girls ko aisay topics pay khulam khula baat karny ki ejazat nahe aur aap hain k girls ko khwamakhwa ghar say nikalny ka haq dila rahain hain.

Majority has the authority. And here majority is of Muslims and not that of secular. Mind it.

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Aj last island moderator hoti to ye thread close ho chuka hota.
had hoti hai, Islami aqdaar ka mazak uraya ja rha hai

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Everyone has the right to give his or her opinion.

Aap counter-evidence de do.

There is quite abig difference between right and force. You're forcing people to accept your opinion. I wouldn't have replied to your post if you did not talk rudely about Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w).

Those who are not satisfied logically turn to secularism.
Sorry no offense at all.

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i think that person Mr Hassan (i am afraid that is same insane Hassan Nisar) is a victim of impotency...and Mr Hassan...what Islam says, we do not need to give evidence to prove it correct as we can corrupt our faith if we doubt it even for a time that eye takes to blink once...i request the moderaters to close that chapter and do something to block such persons as well...

, well dear sis hamare haan Pakistan main jo hota hai us ke peeche mazhab se ziada hamare culture kaa qasur hai. Saudi Arabia jaise mulk main bhi auraten ghar se bahar ghoomte huey na sirif nazar aati hain balke aik shaher se doosre shaher akele safar bhi karti hain. yahan pe log aise hain ke aik taraf to bagher mehram ke ghar se nikalne waali aurat ko kaafir kehte hain aur dusri taraf Hazrat Umar (RA) ke dor kee woh misal bare fakhar se paish karte hain jis main unhon ne Yemen se Medina tanha safar karne waali aurat se mukalma kia tha, yeh bhi nahin sochte ke agar us aurat ne Islami hukum kee khilaf warzi kee thi to bhale hee us ne apna safar khair khairiat se pura kia ho Hazrat Umar (RA) us ko saza dete . Parde ke baare main Islami hukum kee taarikh yeh hai ke zamanaye jahiliat main londian aur sharif auraten aik jaise libas main ghar se nikalti theen to bazar ke badkaar mard un ko tang karte they. Phir Allah Pak ne yeh hukum dia ke sharif auraten parda kar ke ghar se niklen taake londi aur sharif aurat main faraq pata lag sakey aur badkaar sharif aurat ko tang na karen, yeh hukam nahin dia ke sharif aurton ko kamre main band kar do . Aaj hamare Islami Jamhooria ulta ho chuka hai, aksar 2 number auraten burqa main nikalti hain aur badkaar mard be-burqa aurat ko chor ke burqa waali ke peeche bhaagte hain , is main hamare apne culture kaa qasoor hai naa ke Islam kaa. hamare culture main loafer baazi aur ghunda gardi kaa ansar ziada hai, aur us ke allawa hamara family structure buhut complex hai. saas bahoo devrani waghera waghera jaise masail hamare culture kee waja se hain. Ham apne masail kaa hal Islam ko sahi tarah samajh ke dhoondh sakte hain.

Doosri taraf hamare secular dost western feminism se buhut inspired hain. feminist theory ke mutabiq mard aur aurat barabar hain aur aurat ko bhi society main wohi maqam hona chahiye jo ke mard ko milta hai. western societies aksar feminists kee demand ko taslim kar leti hain magar ab un ke apne haan karwi qudrati haqiqat ne khatre kee ghanti baja dee hai. family khatam ho chuki hai, family ke khatam hone kee waja se individuals pe buhut saare asraat parte hain (loneliness in modern societies), bache neglect hote hain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_neglect), sahi tarbiat na hone kee waja se bache bigar jaate hain aur youth main violence aur drugs kaa rujhan barha hai, aur us se bhi barh ke population growth kam ho gayi hai aur society aged ho rahi hai.

Islam puri tarah mard aur aurat ke darmian jaaiz rishte aur balanced hierarchy pe focus karta hai taake dono apne natural faraiz (aurat maa kaa aur mard baap kaa) sar anjaam de saken. aik taraf bivi shohar ke subordinate hai to dusri taraf maa kaa darja baap se ziada hai taake oppression na ho. Islam aurat ko apne shohar kee ijazat se sab kaam karne kee ijazat deta hai, bibi Fatima aur bibi Aisha kee misalen sab ke saamne hain.

meri nazar main islami aqdar buhut ziada khoobsurat hain, un ko sahi tarah se samajh ke bhi ham modern society bana sakte hain aur west kee ghaltiun se sabaq bhi seekh sakte hain. seculars have their own opinion but they shouldn't attack, that is all .

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