No matter how the society looks at it, its still sexual intercourse between two adults with mutual consent. But as I said, although there are some exceptions, they are negligible. Because everyday, girls, in some cases as young as 12 are brutally raped i.e. sexual intercourse without their consent. Just pick up any newspaper man and you will find heartrending stories. Like in Vehari, where a 13 year old was gang-raped. Talking of gang rapes, such cases have soared across Pakistan. Just run a search on Google and see for yourself.
Ameen. But this is a different topic. Anyways, I do agree that economic conditions are to blame for the increasing frustration levels in today's youth. However, I believe that the fear of a death penalty, like in China will keep their frustration in check.

You call it freedom and liberty of choice when a beautiful lady is used in commercials and exaggerated advertisements, as a product for successful campaigning. You call it freedom.

The western culture has snatched the moral and ethical values from its people and you call it fashion, i am sorry but almost everyone is victim of it including me! The old house concept, where parents are thrown and left with nothing, you call it freedom and secularism! and most of people appreciate it. The women, today in western countries, is merely used as a product in the name of freedom! It has snatched the grace from women, but on contrary Islam protected women and provided her with best freedom!

I would say, a good man always treat her women with dignity! The rising trends of rapes and prostitution are because of liberty! Men must lower their gaze to get prevented from zina of eyes and women must get dressed rationally. These norms must be followed by men and women.

A very special statement, i have heard from alim is that "first attack of shaitan is on the HAYA of man and women". so one must get dressed rationally in order to be protected from the attack of devil.

Hassan bro, all fingers are not equal, keep your spirits high, dont loose your hope. Change is coming and things gonna be fine. we all love our mother's and sister's!

Have u heard that behind every successful man, there is a women?

In last i would, we should spread the teachings of women's right to all others, and to educate them regarding their obligations towards women folks, only it would reduce the current prevailing conditions.

Islam taught Justice not west. I'm retained on my statement that muslims are getting worst not Islam. And indeed Islam is not responsible for the bad deeds of Muslims.
I told you filth is invisible in filth. All that glitters is not gold.






So you're going to decide who's Muslim and whose not? The word Muslim stands for those who trust in ALLAH and in HIS oneness and follow the way of Muhammad not the one who follow west.It stands not for those who are being number one in providing justice and human rights.


Alas! All illusion.



That time west was not famous as Arabia or not even discovered that no such crimes were reported ?


Me acha hun ya bura apnay liye hun
Me khud ko nahe dekhta auro ki nazar say..

I don't read altered history or unauthentic.

Retain to a single statement. Either support Muhammad or deny His Excellency. On one hand you're indeed insulting Him by altered history and on other hand calling your-self His follower. Nonsense.
And provide a prove that women were captive that time.
Do not quote from Ibn Ishaq's book of first biography of Prophet Muhammad(saas).


Then why did most of Hindu women made statues of Bin Qasim and started adoring it. Becuse they were made captive and raped ??
Who sent bin Qasim to help those women and on who's appeal ? If the reason of conflict was that ship carrying women.


Muhammad (saas) is not responsible for individual act.


Your aim of attack is Islam and Muhammad or just 1400 years back age ??



Dr. Afiya Siddiqui is the worst example of captive muslimah by west and how she was raped by those secular states who do care of human rights. Hmm!





And here you prove that how a Muslim woman is treated if she pleads for Islam and Muhammad.
There should be an understanding of a given example. Not to taunt.

Mind you language brother.



Not indeed. I will go out to work but I'm taught how to deal with "na mehram" coleague and in which tone. CSS is not my extreme destiny and I told you I can work outside following the rules of Islam.



Are you challenging Qur'anic verse ??



If you are unable to understand the context of a sentence or paragraph then you should say sorry rather then to reply foolishly.





Are the rapers sentenced to death in the laws of WEST ??



See the link below showing top ranked countries. Are these countries not of West ??


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime

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You are contradicting yourself, aren't you?


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I couldnt participate because of unavailability of internet connection.The discussionis going good.Besides this is a current news that Afgahn govt banned women leaving their home except for education, health service and one more thing, and that too with a mehram. Moreover you all must be aware of uprsing against basic human rights violation of women when they started to adopt Islamic scarfs in West.I hope we can prepare well for our Essay. Now answers

Since you are on the CSS forum, I'm assuming that you do intend to attempt it. If that is indeed the case, then I'm amazed at your lack of historical knowledge. Just run a search on Google about what usually happened after a siege was over and the city had fallen; you will understand what true violence is.

I not need to go this much far in past rather i would suggest you to study both world wars, Bosnian massacre of Men(women spared), and i hope you have heard of 1947 Migration of subcontinent(mass suicides of muslim women)and Kony's sex slave girls as well...these all are the events of much Safer world...You even dint answer regarding the numbers of rapes in Safe West? any doubt about figures? you cant deny...So in this malign world, you want Muslim women to work? or is this situation acceptable to u?

Look at crime rates with respect to the massive increase in population over the centuries. In the middle ages, people went for Hajj in massive caravans for fear of being looted. A lone man was as much in danger as a lone women, hence the necessity of being accompanies by a mehram.

Somalian pirates are in news i guess??? Moreover in those days Muslims do"lower their gaze" unlike today, even then women use to veil and accompany with mehram in those times. false logic of unveiling women by you Mr.

and i think you still consider "loot" as bondaged one??? other wise 2008 financial crisis was a big robbery from world?? Billions of dollars are robbed in e-business round the world...In hajj times, looters capitalize on non-connected world, now they are abusing connected world. Nothing changed so false logic.

Read about the bloody moments of history, the massacres committed centuries ago, the slaughter of innocents just for the pleasure of a young king, enslavement, RAPE and MURDER of ENTIRE CITIES and you will know that the world is BY FAR SAFER THAN EVER BEFORE.

hmm..than vietnam war, korean war, Us-iraq war, afghan war were a step to make world much safer...were these blood-less wars? bombing of Hiroshima was a step towards safeR world? Libya bombing, Drones, American detention cnters, ethnic cleansing in palestine in 1948, Israel's strikes in lebanon (forgotten?) hundreds of such examples of mass murders are the fruits of much safer world. just the weapons are different. I am sure that your "safety" definition needs some Current affairs "repair".

The so called hero Muhammad Bin Qasim took captive the ladies of the household of the King of Debal and handpicked his daughters to send to the Caliph in Baghdad.

Bandits ran free in the countryside, raping and plundering at will. And Arabia was no exception.

I think you have issue with whole caliphate??? were those captive girls sent to get raped??? learn to quote history at least. if this is the case than hazrat jawariya RA were also sent to Hazrat Muhammad PBUH as a captive whome He PBUH married afterwards? Do i take this the way you put your incidence? besides, Muslims always applied rules of war told by Hazrat Muhammad PBUH not to harm women, childern, old age, gardens, trees etc. and this way of captivating was a rule of the period. were non-islamic forces different then? u forgotten Mongols? would you mind if i quote the purchase of African slaves(including women) which british and spanish used them to work till they die(and that's without food and medic becz that increases investment). wo examples to kbhi nhi ati zehn me apke? all anti-islamic incidences are learnt by heart?.


Not only women, but a stupid person like you, so full of himself, going to Mecca by himself, secure in the knowledge that he was a macho man and not a "kamzor aurat" would have been robbed and murdered on the road in no time.

hmm..I would accept being called a "stupid" (which i strongly condemn Mr Moderator) rather than a "false and uncontrolled freedom" fighter, destined towards a lewd society which have such moral grounds that a "Rape should be reported and penalized" , instead of obstructing the opportunistic environment at first place. its a shame that western New-muslim women are fighting for veil(france, canada, australia), a human right which freedom fighters are opposing, and you freely blessed are trying to cross the limits. and Hajj pe hi kyun tang tooti ha apki? in the very mean times, british and spanish cargoes were frightened and brutally looted by pirates in atlantic, never read? Pathetically west was unknown of Peace when Muslims were enjoying it in a great caliphate and west was busy in monarch-church wars and then plundering Africa, latin America, N.America, India, Far east. Never read?



Beta the REALITY is that people live you are only afraid of the power of women and when they have no REAL argument, they try to USE my great religion Islam for their own purposes. Your arguments are still rubbish.

Beta im not afraid rather than i want this Women resource of our country to be utilized at its best without causing the potential harm which it caused to West becs of uncontrolled freedom . on the contrary you seem over impressed and over-imposed by this gender. and Ont own"Islam", when you are talking about your perceptual Islam. Islam has laws of society (which west teared apart in the name of freedom; animals), and if you are still entranced, than travel naked to achieve ultimate freedom. i know than you will come back running towards "Conservative Islam", the SATAR concept han?.

Joan of Arc wasn't royal, genius, she was just a commoner. Plus, she lived in the 15th century, not before the advent of Islam. Third, there's a big chance that she was just a LEGEND. Polish up on your history bro, movies dekh ke nai, books par ke. Ab CSS ke papers mein Troy ki kahani na likh ke a jana lol :P[/QUOTE]


I guess you are so over whelmed in joy of your false logics that you missed what i have written b/w the lines...read my comment again...I said women quoted in history were only Royal women or freedom fighters like john of arc.....you mingled both. for 2nd logic of yours, read my comment again, i left aside pre islamic history...and for 3rd, i meant her a legend thats y she is in comment.

i still wont call your arguments a rubbish because I am Ateeq and I cant be Hassan. So learn to respect opinions with patience.

@ Malmeena: Sis im impressed by your moderate understanding of Islamic codes. may Allah help us adopt them as well.


@ Shooting Star: Sir whts "netspeak"? unaware of this term.

Example:writing "R U a woman?" instead of "Are You a woman?".

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No need to go back centuries

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@Invincible

If you're talking about this post then let me tell you I mistakenly typed Islam instead of Muslims.


I'm still consistent on my point that Islam gave respect to women but not Muslims.

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Are you saying there was no justice in the world before Islam?

If you read my previous post, this is the exact thing I said, word for word.

Did I say I'll decide who's Muslim? Your statement shows a low, madrassah level understanding of Islam. Please first research about the importance of human rights in Islam.




What the hell are you saying? Please do work on your english before you appear for the CSS exams.

What altered history? Women were not taken captive?

Again, what altered history? Aur lanat mere mun par agar mein Nabi Pak Muhammad PBUH ko insult karun.


Please give your source for this statement.

You really do need to improve your knowledge of history; the captives were not the ONLY reason. I merely mentioned them to illustrate teh point that those were dangerous times.




Did I say he was responsible for what happened in the interior of Arabia? Do you just like to twist things or can't understand english?



I did not attack Islam. I'm merely pointing out that women are safer now than they were in the past centuries.




She was arrested by Pakistani Intelligence. None of us here know the whole story, but I trust the armed forces of my country.


I repeat, are only women toffees? Why aren't man toffees? Stupid examples like those require stupid answers.

What's a "extreme destiny"


Are the men commanded to lower their gaze or are they not? Simple question.


No, but in the US, they are often sentenced to decades in prison, which, I think is even worse. To live out half your life in prison, don't you think that's a pretty good punishment?

See the link below showing top ranked countries. Are these countries not of West ??


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime

1) Most rapes in Pakistan are not even reported due to cultural reasons.
2) In the countries you mentioned, rape is at least punished, unlike our so called Islamic Republic where 13 year olds are paraded naked through the streets after being raped and no one cares.

@Maleema
@Hassan

Hold on guys. . we are here for discussion and every one has right to argue and counter argue as well. . . but please maintain the decorum of the group. Don't fight please. . if one can not tolerate one's argument it would better that he/she should avoid replying to the post??? and one should not be biased in any sense. . . Haram aur dair k jhagre nipta rahe ho??? so please. . .

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