Ok, First of all I did not like the phrase that " Public opinion like mine, are slowing the progress of democracy in Pakistan".
So, lets settle the grounds for this discussion. We all have opinions on this issue and they are in favor of our beloved country Pakistan. We want it to progress. Second, we can debate but not "blame" any particular group of thought.
I agree with you that both the systems have more or less failed so far and they take time to be fruitful. But in this time of crisis we need a vigilant leader. Do you think that if we walk on the same road of corruption and mismanagement then through democratic evolutionary process,we would land somewhere among the developed countries?
No, we need someone to put an end to it and at least the democracy that we have in Pakistan,it cannot be done. Our democratic politicians have to ensure that their upcoming generations get place in the future politics of this country.
Rightly said, judiciary does not prosper under dictatorship! and I'm also listening to myself. My point was to ensure our rights as human being first and then talk about freedom of speech. Our democratic government has recently told the supreme court that it will not reopen the past corruption cases against president. who gets what then?
Democracy evolves but it cannot be evolved if we keep on repeating the same mistake.
And yes, "my"average Tom ,Dick and Harry can distinguish among corrupt and honest one but unfortunately not "our" can.

Democracy or Dictatorship, it all depends upon political needs of the group of people (community). A dictatorial government is good for building up a strong society where there is less crime and more cooperation among members of the community and which is organized around the legend of a leader. However it hampers competition and progressive thought from rising and thus is not good for building huge economies. Conversely a democratic government would allow more freedom and promote competition among people in order to promote progressive thought, however long time competition among members of the community gradually tarnishes the traditional social bond which joined the people and thus it proves to be detrimental for the society. A democratic government is run by checks and balances, unlike an authoritarian one which is run by subordination of the leader.

As for Pakistan, this community stands on a cross road where it is unable to determine its course. We can only wait and watch if a visionary leadership emerges and take reins of this country or people become smart enough to enjoy freedoms :D.

@mhmmdkashif

I don't think so that dictatorship is better for any nation whether it is developed or under developed nation especially such as Pakistan which is going towards democratic system pragmatically and the democracy is being strengthened mashallah. Indeed, we are facing sever problems under democratic government yet as we had faced in the past but it doesn't mean that our country going towards its end. Though nations face many problems, with that they also work for the betterment. Therefore, it doesn't mean that the dictatorship is better. Hence, we have ample and concentrate experiences since the inception of Pakistan. Our country has faced many grave problems awfully. However, every one has to be good enough in strengthening the democratic government. We always blame our politicians our government our system, it is not fault of any government or anything. Actually it is our fault because democracy is for the people of the people and by the people. Therefore, all politicians are from us, we are responsible for everything. Individually we have to play our due roles. If we pay taxes, follow rules, work for the betterment then we will not blame any system.We people can change our fate, we can make our future bright if we work hard with sincerity, honestly. However, according to the past experience, I can say that [B][COLOR="Green"]the worst democracy[/COLOR][/B] is better than [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]dictatorship[/COLOR][/B]....:)

Why it has been assumed by the supporters of dictatorship that dictator will never be a corrupt and dishonest person ? & that there is guarantee of canals of milk and honey flowing throughout the country under the regime of a dictator ?

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I agree with you that both the systems have more or less failed so far and they take time to be fruitful. But in this time of crisis we need a vigilant leader. Do you think that if we walk on the same road of corruption and mismanagement then through democratic evolutionary process,we would land somewhere among the developed countries?
No, we need someone to put an end to it and at least the democracy that we have in Pakistan,it cannot be done. Our democratic politicians have to ensure that their upcoming generations get place in the future politics of this country.
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It takes time for institutions to prosper. As the public gets educated, corruption starts to vanish. At least under democratic governments we can actually take action against corrupt individuals. So give this system time, at least 2 decades with uninterrupted democratic transitions and you will see a much better Pakistan. One where liberty will not be compromised.
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Rightly said, judiciary does not prosper under dictatorship! and I'm also listening to myself. My point was to ensure our rights as human being first and then talk about freedom of speech. Our democratic government has recently told the supreme court that it will not reopen the past corruption cases against president. who gets what then?
Democracy evolves but it cannot be evolved if we keep on repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
Lets say the government even opens corruption cases against the former rulers. Will it do any good? The money is gone, to Swiss bank accounts and is there to stay. Nothing can be done. The government will only waste its precious time and the only result would be the destabilization of Pakistan. We cannot afford another political battle. Its time we start rebuilding the nation.

Like it or not, the fact is that Pakistan is a democratic nation now and is here to stay. The days where military generals had the audacity to say that they are superior to civilians is long gone. Its time we accept this fact and move on, whether one is a supporter or negator of democracy.

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Name one nation that has progressed within two decades of democratic rule. None? Well I thought so. The thing is, other countries have gone through this phase. Countries like the US of A or Canada were once colonies like ourselves and they have faced civil wars and inherited corrupt government machinery. It takes years, nay decades, to build a nation. Look where these countries are now.[/QUOTE]

Dear don't compare them with us wahan khandani siasat (like Bhutto or Sharif or Chauadry etc) nahi thi shuru se wo log atleast apni quam se mukhlis thay or ye 900 chuhay kha ker billi hajj ko chali....
Election 2013 se pehle aap ne in logo kay slogans tou zaror sunay hongay like

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]"Aye taa'ir e laa'outi us rizq se mout acchi jis rizq se aati ho parwaz mein kotahi"

"Hum 2 months mein load shedding ka khatma ker dainge"

"Hum khashkool toraingay"
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ye tha Election se pehle or ab

Zardari ne tou $5 bn liye 5 saal mein is ne tou aatay hi $6.5 le liye :clap. Dollar 96 se 110 pe, Sui Gas rates 35% increase or kehtay hain "mera bhai zara jazbati hai us bi baton ko serious na liya karain :joker :blink . Bheek mangne jatay hain 20 lac kay suit pehan ker or $400,000 ka just dinnar kertay hain NY mein.:mad:
In logo se muqabla keroge un hadd ker di bhai aap ne maine kaha hai na koi aik karnama ginwa day koi is forum pe is badtareen nizaam called Democracy ka ? :blink
or haan yaad aya ye aik naya drama le ker aye hain this time hum marketing mein is ko samjhanay ki liye kehtay hain [B][COLOR="Blue"]" Naya Manjhan aya hai for sale "[/COLOR][/B] see this is [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]NAYA PAKISTAN[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]"Hum ne qurza utaarne kay liye qurza liya hai" :dd:dd:dd[/COLOR][/B]

wah kya baat hai is democracy ki :clap

Corruption is not limited to Pakistani politics only. Politicians in USA , UK, France , Germany and other developed countries are not free from evils of corruption as well. The dictators have also did their best in plundering the wealth of their countries.
Corruption is a universal phenomenon.

the hell democracy
 

Why democracy?

We don't want democracy. We want economic stability. We don't want these idiot corrupt politicians in the name of stupid democracy. One man corrupt rule(dictatorship) is far more better than the rule of thousand corrupts(democracy).
Ye democracy koi Aasman se utri hai? kay har koi bewakoofon ki tarah kehta rehta hai democracy democracy. Mulk doob jaey par democracy na doobay. Yeh jamhooriat koi ALLAH ne to naazil nhi ki kay iss ki itni parwah ki jaey. To hell with democracy, if it can't fulfill the needs of a common man. I know that democracy, if implemented in true latter and spirit, is the best system of all. but this is Pakistan. Here everyone wants to loot money. Everyone is a plunderer of wealth. Here only one thing can do the job that is "DANDA", and that is only possible when there is a military dictator at the top slot. You people have forgot that time when petrol and dollar were just 60 rupees. Everything was so good at that time. But we idiots wanted the damn democracy and now see what have we gained from this? "110 rupees ka Dollar aur 115 ka petrol". This is the result of democracy in Pakistan. The new government has printed 600bn notes in just first three months of its government. The value of Pakistani rupee is depreciating by the every passing day. One pound costed 150 rupees 2 weeks ago and now it is 170 rupees. Oh ALLAH! help us. We are in a state of complete destruction. Forgive our sins!. We have nothing to do with democracy or dictatorship, we just want leaders who are not plunderers of wealth. (AMEEN)

When talking about democracy ,we forget the very basic fact that, Pakistan does not fulfill the basic conditions for democracy to work efficiently. with really low per capita income, our population can't fulfill their basic needs rather than to think about Democracy vs. Dictatorship. Also with 2 or 3 political parties dominating the politics, we can never achieve democracy. What we are going through is another form of dictatorship (although termed as democracy), where seats are switched among same people one by one.
"worst form of democracy is better than dictatorship"?
It's not Hadith dear fellows, we cannot blindly follow the developed countries. Even the developed countries are trapped within their own system of democracy having most of the wealth laying with particular groups.. Its not pure anywhere.
Education matters but do we think our politicians are not educated? Its all about self interest and it comes only in two ways ,i.e. Fear of Allah or fear of Judiciary.(it could be fear of AWAAM as well :pp )
unfortunately none of this exist in our system =(
jo b karo atleast logon ko zinda to rehney do !!!

Democracy vs Dictatorship for Pakistan
 

No military or civilian ruler has worked for democracy in Pakistan, albeit its the best form of government for any Islamic state, as it must be for the so-called Islamic republic of Pakistan.

Since the inception of Pakistan in 1947 we have experienced failures surpassing the number of achievements because of the dictators supported either by the judiciary or by foreign powers like USA and Soviet Union etc.

Only Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the sincere ruler in Pakistan, who worked for democracy and revived it after 20 years. It was the tenure of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto during which Paksiatn has seen,

1. Agreed 1973 Constitution
2. An attempt to oust military from politics..........and much more.

The problems we have had, before and after the tenure of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto ,in this country are solely due the dictatorial form of governments, compromise of judiciary of its freedom, and the attitude of those rulers towards the rule who have been exploiting every possibility to reap the benefits for themselves.

While democracy is an ideal form of government which guarantees the basic needs and dependencies of every citizen to be fully satisfied.

In other words, It is the aftereffect and manifestation of dictatorial regimes and deprivation of the citizens from the basic needs of life which appear in different forms of social menaces , like terrorism, poor law and order situation, poverty, illiteracy etc etc etc............

So democracy is the best form of government for Pakistan rather than dictatorship.