USA vs KSA!

Secular vs Islamic!

No black has preference over white and no white has preference over black. This is what last Prophet of Allah, Muhammad (PBUH) has said.

In the cabinet of Muhammad (PBUH), non-arab, black person (Bilal) was his Communication Minister (Mu'azzan).

In a secular country, USA, a black man has been chosen as their leader by the will of predominantly white people. In

Islamic country, KSA, non-royal man, cannot become ruler.

People from any part of the world can become citizens of USA with equal rights and can marry their women and settle there.

In KSA, you can never get citizenship and cannot marry and cannot have equal rights. You even pay money to visit Kaaba (House of Allah) and you cannot extend your stay.

What I am pondering and wondering is: Which country, USA or KSA, is closer to Islam?

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If you talk about Islam, there is nothing like a Muslim State in the religion itself.
We can't compare two countries on a false notion.
There was never an Islamic state never would be.
Islam proposes a set of values to follow in order to establish a welfare state, and remember in Islam welfare state is not and end, its a means to acquire welfare of the whole mankind, as in Islam ultimately we need a world-state not a nation-state.

I think there must not be any confusion in this question,USA is closer to islamic welfare principles than ksa,KSA is not purely a state based on islamic principles.

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Mudassar Nawaz

You partially misunderstood topic. This thread is all about against Dynasty which has been displaying by The House of Saud (Royal family) since time immemorial in KSA with great pride. None can be enthroned on the basis of one's BLOOD. Power to rule should be circulated in state as blood circulates in body(i.e must reach each and every cell of the body) according to Islam.

Its a comparison between center of Islam & center of world's attention-USA on one ground: Who is entitling her citizens more rights to enjoy & opening her arms for rest of the world?

Regards,

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i). Probably this does not contain anything to religion, rather this is governance system in both countries, which defines who is to become its President or who is to get nationality etc.

ii). KSA Government is a monarchy since its creation with rules to be defined as per the tennets of Islam ( to be more specific as per the Wahabi /Salafi school of jurisprudence). There is no specific written constitution for the country. Since it is a monarchy lead by family of Saud, King is supposed to be from this specific family and he is the head of all the important pillars of state like legislative, executive, and judicial functions etc. Moreover, key ministries and governorships of its provinces are generally reserved for royal family.

iii). On the other hand, USA is federation republic/representative democracy. Its government structure comprise President, Cabinet and Congress (Senate and House of Representative). The President is elected through indirect electoral processe etc.

iv). KSA can only be consdired as centre of Islam because of holy places lying in it, otherwise it has nothing much to do with islam or muslims.... Moreover, monarchial system was there in Islam from Ummayads onwards and it may not be prudent to term USA government more linked to islamic systems only on the basis of the reason of a black man becoming President, or having nationality thing for all and sundry or giving much human rights.....

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'Thee woh ik shakhs kay tasawar saay - abb woh ranayee khayal kahaan'

Its all about the guidance in every step of life which Islam provided to us via Holy Prophet(Peace Be Upon Him). There is no doubt in such question that who is nearer to Islam as America is. They learnt time by time that how can they make their nation Happy and more steady in the world(as America is the only superpower now a days) simply as they applied our Islamic rules in their country quietly and we applied their rules in our Islamic countries. The answer of this question is simple that We have to pay money to watch the only Home of ALLAH and other strong Laws in an Islamic country, how stupid could be a Muslim nation like this.

Pardon, the issue of payment thing to visit Kaaba etc left unattended by the undersigned.

Dear fellows, there is nothing to be emotional or perturbed on this thing. Every country levy taxes on such events/places etc. The KSA also provides great facilities to Hajis/pilgrims doing Umra and they try to improve the facilities every year. To quote an example, there were national holidays at China at the first week of October due to their National Day and Mid-Autumn/Moon festival and during these holidays, they had increased the rates /entry fees for visiting parks, their historical/religious places, big sightseeing places etc just to get more money etc...

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'Thee woh ik shakhs kay tasawar saay - abb woh ranayee khayal kahaan'

@ Muhammad TS AWAN

Sir I am not getting emotional or perturbed on this thing. Surely they are providing more relief to the visitors but they don't have the right to charge for visiting Kaaba as We All are Muslims. Surely they are improving their facilities year by year but that doesn't mean that they should put their burden on every visitor. Secondly Kaaba is not a visiting place,it's a Worship place for every Muslim.
Well, leave this point for being emotional or not, just have a view on other rules and regulations of KSA,do you think that Saudi Arab is going on its right way or not. According to me, it's not on the right path.

KSA Government follows some of the things defined by Wahabism /Salafism and the King is absolute power holder who is to supposed to pass/approve laws etc. As per them the country is going on right way . However, as per my thinking as well, alas that country is not going on any right direction. . Its resources have been captured by the west and specifically USA. Americans have got hold of much of oil reserves and they control it (*Saudia is having second largest oil reserves). The Americans have also taken hold of some of the other things including stay of many military units in and around Saudia on the plea of her protection and on her money.... Honestly speaking, in my thinking Saudis cannot say no to USA or to be on broader spectrum, they not only get impressed with the white skin of the west but also they fear from them!

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'Thee woh ik shakhs kay tasawar saay - abb woh ranayee khayal kahaan'

As per your thinking, i agree.
If you take an example of few recent days, KSA did nothing as Terry Jones(May ALLAH burn his sole in hell) burnt some genuine pieces Holy Koran just because he was an stupid American. A small country like Libya showed His response against this cowardly step but KSA did nothing. They just made strict rules and regulations in their own LAW according to Islam but they follow only few of them,they did nothing against U.S and probably they won't take any action in future as well.