I am astonished u r saying so and u most probably have heard the statement of foreign spokesman that "Kashmir is not ATOOT ANG of Pakistan"
Well considering it quite sound, what good is being done to KAshmiris
They dont wanna go for the third option but a minority
and India she always woos the world with such statements
Why India comes on table with Pakistan?
They want time for re-preparations of their barbarism in KAshmir
for setting a strategy for their troops.
Nehru said many time The prob of Kashmir will be solved by plebiscite
HAs it been arranged???? That time India stepped backward too BUT not for peace but .........



How much time it took for the WPB to be reviewed and passed
They DO what they want to DO and what they dont, they just tangle it

no one was justifying killings of Shias dude.. but you justified killings of balochs and muslim extremists in waziristan .
Well, you have to read consequences of 1982 killings of shias and also the reasons . When people were killing saddam and saddam retalliate with force then there were innocent killings also and every ruler do this to secure his power.. What about General mushraff.. You have to learn this that those culprits which planned and attempted to kill mushraff in twice in pindi were assisinated in 2005 and 2006. but still case of mir murtaza is in pending .what happened to amjad farooqi?. i am not defending killers nor i am justifying saddam but rulers react like this when ever some one try to kill them they use all their force. Saddam did same.

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جيسين سر ۾ ساھ اٿم تيسين اَزادي تي ويساھ اٿم..

ھڪ سر جو سيد وارث اَ ٻيو وارث بھٽ جو شاھ اٿم..

Well I would like to know that how u r justufying the killings of Shias by him and what about his dictatorship?


I M Possible.. Sabh sey pehli baat yea hai key ALLAH behtar insaf karney wala hai...

Ap Jantey hain key Iraq mai 60% Ahley`Tashi hain or 40% Sunni hain...Saddam hussain ney qatal kiye.Maghar ess Ki Wajha thi..Aur wo yea hai key Saddam hussain jabh Iqtedar mai aya Tu Iran Key Kahney Per.Iraq Key Ahley`Tashi Firqa Ney Bagawat Karna Chaiye..Or Koi bhi Hukmaaran Bagawat Nahi honey dena cahta..Kyon key Bagawaat karney sey Amaan Qayaam nahi rah sahkta..Saddam Ney Amaan Ki Khatir Esa Kiya..


Aghar Ess Key Ilawa Uss Ney Apney Mufaad Ki Khatir Qattal Kiye hain Tu.ALLAH Pochey Ga Usey..


Plz Mujhe Eik Baat Batye... 9/11 sey Pahley Terrorist Key Naam Sey bhi koi Waqf Nahi Tha...9/11 ki
Zema`dari Afghanistan Key sir Dal di gayi...Wo bhi kesi Proof Key Bagair.Us Waqat Saddar Musharaf
Sahab ki Hakoomat nayi nayi thi..America ney Pakistan Ko Warn Kiya key Wo Humara Sath Dey Nahi tu
Afghanistan Key Sath Uss per Bhi Attack Kar Diya Jaye ga...Musharaf Sahab ko Fiker Hoyie Key Ess
Tarhaan Tu Awaam Mustahil hoo jaye gi...Phir Unhoo Ney Bush Sey Apni Problem Share Kii..Bush Sahab
Ney Kaha Key Aghar tum Hakoomat karna cahtey hoo tu Humari Batoon per Amaal Karo..Bush Sahab Ney
Batya key mujhe Afghanistan per Attack karney doo Mai Tumharey Qarzeey Maaf Kar Doon ga..Jabh Tum
Awaam Ko Batauo gey Key Tum Ney Qarza Maf Karwa Diya hai Tu Tumhari Wah wah Ho jaye Gi..Bas Tum
Apni Awaam Key Dil Mai Yea Baat Daloo Key Afghanistan Waley Waqeya hi terrorist hain... Bas Ess
Key Baad Kya Howa Aur Kya Hoo Raha hai Yea Sabh Ap Jantey hain.........!!!!!!!!!!

Yaar Kassh Uss Waqat Musharaf Sahab Sirf Itna Bayaan Dey Detey..Key 9/11 Key Waqeyaat Ki Tehqeeq Karwayie
Jaye...Or Bush Ko Khabar`dar Kar Detey key Khabar`Dar Aghar ISLAM Ko Terrorism Sey Mansoob Kiya Tu
Hum Loog Muslims Hain Aur Koi Muslmaan Terrorist nahi hoo sahkta.... Pakistan koi Khala Jee Ka Ghar Nahi
Key Tum Attack Kar Doo Gey.... Yahan 15 karor Muslmaan Hain Jo Apney Country Ka Deefa Karna Jantey hain..

Liken Afsoos Key Musharaf Ney Apni Seat Ko Aziz Jana...Or Muslmaanoo Ki Izaat Na Rahk Sahka..

Chalain Enn Batoon Ko bhi Rahney Dain...Eik aur Baat Yahan Kartey hain..Jabh GERMANY Ney Namoosey`RISALAAT
Key Barey Mai.... ALLAH Maf Karey Jo bhi kiya... Kya Uss Sey bhi Ap Ko Andaaza nahi howa... Uss
Waqat Tu Humaara Eik Country Tu kya hum Poori Dunyia bhi qurbaan Kar Detey Tu wo bhi Kam Tha...
Liken Uss Waqat bhi Musharaf Sahab Ney Eik Bayaan bhi nahi diya....Sirf Izhaarey`Afsos Kiya key
Ess Sey Poori Dunyia key Muslmaanoo Key JAzbaat Majrooh Hovey hain.... Yea hain Humarey Leaders
Jen Key Pechey Hum Bhaag Rahey hain... Jo Yea Kahtey hain Key Humarey Muslmaan Honey Per Kesi ko
Shaak Nahi hona Chaiye..Hum ney Haaj Kiye hain Aur Azaan Bhi dii hai.... Haaj tu ABu`Jahil Ney bhi kiye thay.......

Kashmir Key Barey Mai Confirence`s Munakid Hotin hain. Doreey Kiye Jatey hain.. Liken Ess Ka Haal Nahi Nikala jata..
India Waley Apna Kaam Poora Kartey Rahtey hain...Aur Hum Loog Amaan Ka flage Ley Kar Kabhi INdia... Kabhi America Aur
Kabhi UK Bhagtey Rahtey hain...Aur Dunyia Mai Yea Sabit Karna cahtey hain Key Hum Loog Amaan`Passand Quom hain....Enn
Leaders Ki Samjh mai yea Baat kyon nahi ati key Unhoo Ney Dunyia Key Samney Jawaab Nahi Dena..ALLAH Key Samney Jawab dena hai

Don't think that Pakistan is an atomic power that is why US can't attack. Albeit Pakistan is an atomic power but US is an atomic power + super power.

Bas Yea hi Esa Point hai jahan sey Hum Loog Mar Khatey hain...Jess Din Humarey Leaders Or hum Loogo Ney Pehcaan Liya Key Real Power kon hai..Us Din
Hum Loog ALLAH Key Hukam Sey Poorii Dunyia Per Hakoomat Karain gey INSHAHALLAH.

Eik Baat Or.. Key Americans Ki koi History nahi..Maghar Muslims Ki History hai..Aur Poori Dunyia Janti hai key History mai Muslims Ney Kesey Hakoomat Ki
Muslaam Key Nazdeek Sabh Sey Baari Power ALLAH Per Emaan hai Or Uss Ka Leader Muslaam Ka Hosla Or Uss Ka Maqsaad hai...

Mai ALLAH Ki Rehmaat Sey Na`Umeed Nahi... Yea Baat Tu Sabh Jantey hain Key Eik Dafa Muslaam Phir ALLAH Key Hukaam Sey Poori Dunyia Per Hakoomat Karain gey
Or Poori Dunyia Mai ISLAM Hooga.INSHAHALLAH ...Maghar Yea Saayadaat Kess Qoum Key Hisey mai ati hai yea ALLAH Pak Janta hai...

Meri Dua hai key Hum Uss Qafley Key Mujahid hoon..or Aghar yea bhi humari Kismaat mai nahi Tu Kam iz Kam Humey Uss Qafley Ki Gard Dakhna Naseeb hoo...Ameen

Asmaan Pey Parwaaz Karney Key Liye Barey Paroon Ka Hoona Zaroori nahi....Parwaaz Karney Key Liye Hosla Hona Chaiye....

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Well i did not say that kashmir is not an atoot ang of Pakistan but the scenerio is saying so. We need to be pragmatic. If India is not letting kashmiris to acceed to Pakistan then at least we should let Kashmiris live freely in their own land.

Third option can resolve the issue. Time has proved so. Lemme tell u the results of plebicite that is expected to be held in Kashmir. Kashmiris also want freedom from India and Pakistan. They wanna spent their life freely.

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They will review it because it is a national issue and they can't ignore it. It is our issue and nobody would come from outside to resolve it.

Regards,

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Well if Shias are the majority at Iraq then they ned to prefer and should follow the order of the day. Well Shias have their religion Islam, no doubt they are Muslims then why we are not letting this sect to live at ease.

If they don't bother Sunni brethern then why Sunni brethern interupt in their religious traditions. We all are Muslims and we need to follow the order of one and only God who has gave us message to live in peace.

Regards,

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Dear i did not mean that Allah is not the super power, astaghfirullah. I was just responding to the query. I was elucidating that tis' better o be an ally of US instead of opposing it.

Regards,

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Yeah i admit no one is above God. He cn do justice to all of us. He knows who was right and who was wrong. The life that we have to spend on earth is just a test of us. We would have to spend it in peace because it would have its implications in the next world.

Regards,

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@ kahYaL
Nice post dude with references.

Recently i read in papers ,javed hashmi was saying " mushraf se jis ko kaam lene tha woh le chuka" aur ab woh used condom he.used condom phenkne ka hota he rakhne ka nahee .
As pakistan was pressurized after 9/11 turkey was also pressurized but they standup and they refused to give bases to attack iraq ,reason: turkish parliament refuses. but here in pakistan ,no powers are to the parliament all powers belong to "Pindi camp office" . If pakistan give free hand to parliament and allow them to decide then i don't think that west can pressurize us as they are doing now coz democracy is their medicine .
Well, every one knows among wars no one wins only humanity losses itself. but leaders in the world opt for fight and war. why?. Only for the integrity of nation .
Hum america ke liye kitna bhi karle phir bhi hum enough nahee kar rahe aur hum phir bhi america aur west ke friend nahee ban sakte kiyu ke hum muslimaan hein Woh ottoman caliphate ka 1913 mein georgia ki killings nahee bhool sakte lekin hitler ko maaf kar sakte hein . Mushraff sahib ki soch aur Aemal ki waja se hum ne muslim world mein bhi izzat kho di hey . They are calling us as puppets of america .

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ھڪ سر جو سيد وارث اَ ٻيو وارث بھٽ جو شاھ اٿم..

It should enough for all....

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Koocch Haan Aay Be`khabar Honey Ko hai

Band Ley Tossha , Safar Honey ko hai

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Khatam Her Fard Bashar Honey ko hai

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Dafatnn Sir Pey Jo Aa Puhnchi Ajaal

Jaye Ga Yea Bey`baha Moqa Nikaal

Phir Kahan Tu Aur Kahan Dar`u`lAmaal

Phir Na Haath Aye Gii Umer Bey`Badal

Eik Din Marna hai Akhir Mout hai

Kar Ley Jo Karna hai , Akhir Mout hai




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Bey`Yaqeeni , Yea Gareebi ,Yea Jahalat Badley

Aur Arbab`e`Seyasaat Hain Jinhey Sham`o`Sehar
Hai koi Fiker Tu Bas Yea Key Hakoomat Badley

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Don't use local language plzzzzzzzzzzz 4 prestige of our forum.... Thanxxxx@ ejaz

Agar hadith ka hawala dete to acha tha. Lekin kiya Prophet ne Badr ke jang larne se inkar kiya ke ..kafir 1000 hein aur hum 313.. Kiya uhd ke medan se muslims ko retreat karwaya?.. Prophet ne kab peeth dikhai Kafiroon ko?..


dear brother,

when there is no option except war then don't run away. But if u hav any option, then it's wise 2 b acted as a diplomat.

There was no option except war in BADAR Battle so Prophet (SAW) went on the right path.
He prayed 2 his God but after utilizing his all possible resourses (some swords, horses and camels etc...).

That's y it is said that,

"God helps those who help themselves"

Allah Pak says in Sura-e-Najam (Paara # 27),

" Wa-Allai-sa-lil-insaani-illa-ma-sa-aa"

u r right in case of Karbala.... This is somehow resemblance with the case.
u hav options but u go only 4 the right cause of Allah Almighty.
But it's very difficult 2 serve as true beleiver.

Prophet (SAW) opted diplomatic path by makin pacts with jews of Madina.so u r free 2 chose any path

regards

@ Atifch
jo saddam k saath hua usay daikh k i want to say something to Musharaf sahib;

Lahoo ho jaye ga jigar ankhain khoon roain gi
Wasi befaiz logon say nibha ker kuch nai milta

bilkul sahi farmaya sir
after all History repeats itself

laikin aik baat hai soay huay ko jagana asan hota hai jagtay huay ko koi kia jagai

Well he is awakening this is why he is trying his best level to save Pakistan from the scrouge of a number of problems and issues e.g. terrorism, sectarian issues, US attack, India's influence, internal conflicts, dismemberment of Balochistan, etc.

Regards,

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